rec.autos.simulators

by **Thom j** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Sorry Ex but don't let Alison H see your comment!! She is a women,
a lady & one hell of a racer! Im not flaming you either Ex just wanted
to point this out. I'd think 1st but knowing Alison I believe she would
laugh too!!.......Cheers Thom_j.

by **Chuck Anderse** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

: If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the
: Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more
: attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully
: we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :)

I'd be looking at Celerons also!!

by **Don Scurlo** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all
>I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the
>problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making
>me unsure about buying the thing.
>Any comments?
>roy

I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc ,
any day now. I'm upgrading from a P90 which I've had since mid 94.
For all this time I've been watching hardware development and
following the "you gotta buy sometime" verus "wait for X to arrive"
debate. I have obviously been waiting.
In these last 5yrs there has ALWAYS been a significant hardware
development just around the corner and I see no end to it in the
foreseeable future. The reality of it has been that for the last 2yrs
I've played practically no games because I've been so frustrated and
pissed off by lousy frame rates. It doesn't matter if you buy now or
if you wait 3 more years, it will be great for a while and then start
to fall behind in performance. The question is: how long are YOU
willing to wait ?

by **The Excelsi** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

If you bought the most up-to-date system you could find, today, it
would be fine for any game you buy in the near future, but only if you
ewre to add a Voodoo3, or even Voodoo2 - or perhaps TNT2, when it
arrives.

This is _always_ going to be the case however. That's evolution for
you!

The Excelsior

"ICQ #40620378"

by **The Excelsi** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Neat! And since it has a TNT2, you won't need to buy a Voodoo3 for it
either!

We should soon be seeing computers with more than 128MB of RAM coming
out soon. I can't wait!

What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size?

If you want to wait for a system which will never be out dated, don't.
It will _never_ happen! You could wait til the end of time and there
would STILL be a guy down the pub who boasts about a machine faster
than yours!

It's a simple fact of life, a bit like the Stalks who deliver babies.
;-)

The Excelsior

"ICQ #40620378"

by **The Excelsi** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

<THE-BIGGEST-SPIN-ON-RECORD>

You won't want to hear that I play GPL on a Pentium MXX 166MHz with
32MB of RAM and a single Voodoo2, will you?

;-)

The Excelsior

"ICQ #40620378"

by **Don Scurlo** » Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>>I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc ,
>>any day now.

>What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size?

Yes, hard drive. It sounds excessive, but when I bought the P90 the
largest drive available was 1 gig. People said that it was a waste of
money and it would never get filled up. Well it was full years ago,
and the way software is bloating these days I suspect that in a few
years the 25gig will look just right. On the other hand I could
easily have saved money buying a smaller drive now, and adding more
in the future as I needed it when it was cheaper.

Don Scurlock
Vancouver, B.C.

by **The Excelsi** » Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:00:00

25GB of HDS is awesome! My PC has only 2.9GB of hard disk space, which
is barely enough to install 4 or 5 of my favourite games.

My laptop has a larger hard disk, of 6.4GB, and I thought that was big
enough, but 25GB? Ace choice!

You're right that soon 25GB wil become a standard. At the current
time, most new computers come with around 10GB, sometimes 14GB of HDS,
and when you think about how large a full install of new games can be
(400MB and upwards!), a new computer should NEVER come with anything
less than 10GB!

The Excelsior

"ICQ #40620378"

by **Daxe Rexfor** » Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Umm...I have a computer with 256 MEG and I have for quite a while..where have
you been?

20+ GIG hard drives have been out for a while, too...

Stalks? Stalks of what? Corn? Beans? I hope they aren't too high, or they
might interfere with the STORKS.

duh,

~daxe

by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:00:00

So will GPL get a boost from these newer drivers for PIIIs or only
new games Mark?

> The Celeron doesn't support the new instructions. Already some of the drivers
> (TNT 1.88 for instance) use these instruction to gain framerate. Soon games
> will directly use the instructions to increase frame rate as well. look at the
> scores for 3DMark 99 when comparing Overclocked Celeron's and PIII's at the
> same clock speed. The PIII's kill them becuase 3DMark 99 support the new
> instructions! Overclocked Celerons have had their day in the sun. PIII's ain't
> perfect but the best choice at the moment. Now if only they would hurry up
> with the XEON III so I can replace my dual XEON's currently in my games
> machine......

> > If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the
> > Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more
> > attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully
> > we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :)

> > > I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all
> > > I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the
> > > problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making
> > > me unsure about buying the thing.
> > > Any comments?
> > > roy

by **Mark C Dod** » Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Trade your wife in on a Dual Xeon III 600. You won't regret it!

> > >I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all
> > >I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the
> > >problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making
> > >me unsure about buying the thing.
> > >Any comments?
> > >roy

> > Some people will say if you keep waiting you'll never upgrade.
> > Many others also suggest buying the best you can afford.

> > The price difference between a P3-450 and P3-500 doesn't relate to the
> > performance difference. You didn't mention what system you have now,
> > but only that you are buying for the future.

> > Personally I think buying a P3-500 is a bad idea. Heres why;
> > We are at the end of an era. The newest chips will be 133mhz based
> > probably using RDRam (Rambus) and will require a new motherboard and
> > ram etc. Same old story isn't it. We will also have ATA66 as a new
> > standard.

> > PC100 is dropping in price, CPU's are dropping in price, it does sound
> > to me like they're offloading stock.

> > Whatever you get now will be old by September. So if you must upgrade
> > now I really recommend you plan for two upgrades. One now which is a
> > mediocre upgrade (only getting the best bang for buck now) and saving
> > money for the later upgrade when the new Chipset and 133mhz FSB is
> > readily available.

> > Regards,
> > David
> thanks for the advice, people. Now I am wiser but no wiser. I'm running
> an AMD K6II 300 and my framerate is around the low twenties.
> What to do....what to do...oh, what to do? My wife tells me I should
> spend the computer money on food and clothing and stuff like that. What
> does she know. I want to live....I want to live. I want to see trees and
> grass...and clouds and...and...all sorts of other high resolution stuff.
> Oh, god, I'm so confused.

by **Mark C Dod** » Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:00

And she is looking over your shoulder as you type! My wife is very supportive as
well. She feeds me in the small gaps between races.

> Greg,

> Nahh.. They are always bluffing. My wife constantly threatens me with that
> and I keep telling her to get the papers drawn up and remember she gets 50%
> of everything, including the debts ;)

> ROFL

> disclaimer - My wife and I have a wonderful marriage and she is very
> supportive in my spending way too much time and money on all my sim racing
> ventures =)

> Scott
> PA-Scott
> --
> Scott B. Husted
> ICQ# 4395450

by **Mark C Dod** » Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:00

My computer never gets a headache. It is always ready to play when I am. It
doesn't blow up every twenty eight days and I don't have to turn it on unless
I wan't to play. It never complains about me not paying it enough attention
and it's learned to be quiet whn I am watching TV. I can always trade it in
on a new sexier model!

> >thanks for the advice, people. Now I am wiser but no wiser. I'm running
> >an AMD K6II 300 and my framerate is around the low twenties.
> >What to do....what to do...oh, what to do? My wife tells me I should
> >spend the computer money on food and clothing and stuff like that. What
> >does she know. I want to live....I want to live. I want to see trees and
> >grass...and clouds and...and...all sorts of other high resolution stuff.
> >Oh, god, I'm so confused.

> LOL!

> It's not her fault she's a woman... women just don't understand
> computer games and simulators. Nor to they understand the thrill we
> get from them.

> <Please, Please, Please, don't flame me for this! I swear it was just
> a joke! ;-)>

> The Excelsior

> "ICQ #40620378"

by **Mark C Dod** » Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Sure it's just not the vibrating joystick that's the attraction?

> >It's not her fault she's a woman... women just don't understand
> >computer games and simulators. Nor to they understand the thrill we
> >get from them.

> Don't be too sure ... everytime my fiance comes over now she says,
> "Can I play Midtown Madness?"

> Joe McGinn
> ==========================================
> Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/***.com/
> ==========================================

by **Mark C Dod** » Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:00

My daughter will be very upset. I have been telling her its storks who
deliver babies and now I find out its stalks. Damn.

> >I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc ,
> >any day now.

> Neat! And since it has a TNT2, you won't need to buy a Voodoo3 for it
> either!

> We should soon be seeing computers with more than 128MB of RAM coming
> out soon. I can't wait!

> What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size?

> >In these last 5yrs there has ALWAYS been a significant hardware
> >development just around the corner and I see no end to it in the
> >foreseeable future. The reality of it has been that for the last 2yrs
> >I've played practically no games because I've been so frustrated and
> >pissed off by lousy frame rates. It doesn't matter if you buy now or
> >if you wait 3 more years, it will be great for a while and then start
> >to fall behind in performance. The question is: how long are YOU
> >willing to wait ?

> If you want to wait for a system which will never be out dated, don't.
> It will _never_ happen! You could wait til the end of time and there
> would STILL be a guy down the pub who boasts about a machine faster
> than yours!

> It's a simple fact of life, a bit like the Stalks who deliver babies.
> ;-)

> The Excelsior

> "ICQ #40620378"