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I have a replay of you doing it lap after lap...

correct" ( eh ;-) ), it's your choice, but the concensus is that

"The AI do it so it must be okay..."  - What a crock of shit.  Further,
the real life races exhibited none of the driving I've seen online.

It's NOT the same.  All of those examples you've cited involve getting
just TWO of the cars tires off the racing surface.  The way you cut the
course at riverside, you'd think you were driving a race in Monster Truck
Madness....

Or the ones that try to justify shitty driving...  You've only
demonstrated your complete ignorance of stockcar races held at Riverside,
the general absence of driving ability because you'd rather offroad then
try to negotiate a complex series of turns, and you complete lack of
anything close to being called honor and integrity.

He can't do it without cutting the esses...  I can do a 109.9 without
cutting the esses, and a 113.9 if I do.

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They do race on tarmac or gravel or any "defined" road.  And they cut it.
It's normal racing mentality.  If you can go faster that way, then I say go
for it.  If it's dangerous to other drivers or to the driver itself, it will
be banned or penalized, that's what racing series are for.

And my opinion is not full of shit John.

Oh you saved it ? Well I won the 25lap race by like half a lap also 8)

The AI does it and the majority of online racing people do it also. And I've
seen footage.  They do cut the course.  They do it.  They put 2tyres in the

Heck it's not my fault if the track is like that. It's just too much
inviting.  You have this stupid S that you can go from one to another.  Btw
simply check out how much time I spend in that last esse (it's the only time
where I can say I go in the sand to gain time).  Im there what for half a
second ? I re-enter the braking zone (like most of the real-life drivers
did) after, slightly turning to the left for the corner.

Why 2 and not 4 ?

Why did you snipped my GPL quote ? It is accepted there.  And Papyrus did
not implemented gates you must pass throught.  If they had, all of this
wouldn't happen. Not that Im blaming them.

What's the limit for you ? How far is 2wheels for you? and is your opinion
the rule? Why are we fighting for that.  It won't change anything, people
will still cut the course, like the AI does and real-life drivers have done.
Only for that second that your actually on the sand.

Of course, because Im Canadian I probably have no knowledge at all of
Stock-car racing.  And your talking to somebody who puts very big ideologies
for years on the newsgroup promoting the community and sportsmanship. But
for me cutting that second into the sand is nothing to care about.

<yawn>  My daddy is better than yours.  Those testosterone fighting are very
boring for me, sorry.

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Sound like something that ought to be fixed in a patch to me.

Don Burnette

Besides, you said it never happened in real life, and I showed that it did.
I never said anything about online play.  ;)

Cheers!

Marc

Douglas Sharpe wrote

That's not a bug!  Watch some old NASCAR tapes from Riverside and you
will see that they spent more time in the dirt than they did on the
asphalt, especially in the esses and turn 6, and if you want to be
fast at Riverside you better master cutting the corner at 6 because
there is a lot of time to be made there.

Scott Sanford
Papyrus

but
not

Still it is not a bug since it is something we did on purpose.  We had
4 different tapes of races at Riverside and all of them show cars
going off the track lap after lap at certain points on the track so we
decided to model the AI that way.

Scott Sanford
Papyrus

Douglas Sharpe wrote

"Don Burnette" wrote

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Well usually its considered that you need to have 2 wheels on track to be
on course.  I would say since I have watched a lot of Riverside races both
Nascar and otherwise that they did drive thru the esses on the pavement.
The Nascar guys did kick up a lot of dust due to the cars are so heavy and
do not turn well, but they kept 2 tires on the racing surface at all times.
 Its a neat track to run, but it sounds like a few are spoiling it for
online racing since they will not even try to keep the car on the racing
surface.  Also I think it funny that someone is trying to defend
themselves, but saying everyone else is doing it, it sounds like my 4  year
old trying to explain why he decided to write all over the walls in his
room.

dave

You have attested before to repeatedly doing so in prior posts regarding
lap times.

 Natural Selection? LOL  Oh, and cutting corners is hardly "pushing a
car". More like "pushing the rules".

Like I said, send a replay over of you doing those times without cutting
the turns. Till then, to me, they have no merit. I am trying to keep the
car on the surface at all times. To me that is one of the MAIN rules of
racing. Any dust kicked up by me, is a mistake on my part, unfortunately
that still is a lot of dust though :)

"Everybody else does is so why not me?"----- Dare to be different Frank.

Marc

Because with the old game engine Marc it means : Dead Stop like the gates in
Rally Championship ;-)

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