rec.autos.simulators

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:39:37

All true Bruce - I was just pointing something out - basically that the
west are far from angels nor are they a model of responsibility and care.
I'm sure all those in Vietnam see the U.S. a terrorists. The U.S. and
Australia stuck it's nose into domestic Vietnam affairs and this is one of
the results. All in the name of Democracy Vs Communism which is a load of
complete bullshit.

> There was none.
> Different society, different values, different everything.
> Not until AFTER, well after, the end of the Vietnam War did any questions
> about Agent Orange arise and you could still buy the basic constituents
> over
> the counter well into the 1970's. My father used to poison blackberries
> and
> lantana with 2-4-D and 2-4-5-T....the core of Agent Orange and determined
> to
> be carcinogens in the late 70's.

> But so what? Every generation looks back with the wisdom of hindsight. We
> (Baby-boomer generation) did it and my parents did it and so did theirs.
> My kids will do exactly the same because each generation thinks it has the
> answers to life, the universe and everything.

> They don't.

> Bruce.

>> Possiblity? Fabrication? What was the speil for the alleged safety of
> agent orange back then.

by **alex martin** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:40:27

Yes aggression is your nature I've noticed ;-)

by **Mitch_** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:11:03

Youre mis-interpreting aggression. If anything like me it's not aggression
it's AMAZEMENT that an otherwise seemingly normal person can think in the
terms youve described yourself in the past few posts.

The flight sim ng is known for its left wing lunatics if youre looking for a
fight Alex ;)

Mitch

> Yes aggression is your nature I've noticed ;-)

>> So, how you liking the sims these days?

>> (Sorry, but I'm AGGRESSIVELY changing the subject back to, ya know,
>> REC.AUTOS.SIMULATORS).

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:23:13

To me, this is complete bullshit. NATO is in IRAQ to remove a madman in
the name of self defence - this is a legitimate reason anyway. Unfortunately
probably most of the reason NATO is there is for U.S. retaliation for 911 -
and Iraq fundamentaly had nothing to do with 911.

The message is simple - allow yourself to be represented by a madman
(Hussein) and this is what will happen. Unfortunately this message is
polluted with political agendas and the complete bullshit notion that NATO
is in Iraq to do the Iraqis a big favour - utter bullshit.

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:28:46

> But so what? Every generation looks back with the wisdom of hindsight. We
> (Baby-boomer generation) did it and my parents did it and so did theirs.
> My kids will do exactly the same because each generation thinks it has the
> answers to life, the universe and everything.

> They don't.

Actually...it's 42

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Tony Rickar** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:51:55

> > But so what? Every generation looks back with the wisdom of hindsight.
> > We (Baby-boomer generation) did it and my parents did it and so did
> > theirs.
> > My kids will do exactly the same because each generation thinks it has
> > the answers to life, the universe and everything.

> > They don't.

> Actually...it's 42

Deep thinker that Goy...

by **alex martin** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:56:12

A normal person understands that war is a last resort, and one that is taken
because one's nation is in danger. A normal person understands that
democracy is not implemented at the point of a depleted uraniumed bomb. Were
it only so, we'd all be nazis by now.

> Youre mis-interpreting aggression. If anything like me it's not
> aggression it's AMAZEMENT that an otherwise seemingly normal person can
> think in the terms youve described yourself in the past few posts.

> The flight sim ng is known for its left wing lunatics if youre looking for
> a fight Alex ;)

> Mitch

>> Yes aggression is your nature I've noticed ;-)

>>> So, how you liking the sims these days?

>>> (Sorry, but I'm AGGRESSIVELY changing the subject back to, ya know,
>>> REC.AUTOS.SIMULATORS).

by **Tony Rickar** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:04:50

I think this is an agree to disagree thread.

GTR on the shelves, GTP released, Thunder Mod for GPL. No time, no time!

> A normal person understands that war is a last resort, and one that is
taken
> because one's nation is in danger. A normal person understands that
> democracy is not implemented at the point of a depleted uraniumed bomb.
Were
> it only so, we'd all be nazis by now.

> > Youre mis-interpreting aggression. If anything like me it's not
> > aggression it's AMAZEMENT that an otherwise seemingly normal person can
> > think in the terms youve described yourself in the past few posts.

> > The flight sim ng is known for its left wing lunatics if youre looking
for
> > a fight Alex ;)

> > Mitch

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:24:42

> I think this is an agree to disagree thread.

> GTR on the shelves, GTP released, Thunder Mod for GPL. No time, no time!

Not to mention rFactor on the horizon ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Mitch_** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:29:49

Your so called "Last resort" does not exist in the Liberal mind nor is it
part of the Liberal agenda.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense realizes the time of last resort was
upon us. Maybe you can turn a blind eye to the cancer of terrorism but 9-11
wasnt the only attack on the US by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

Bush 41 should have forced Saddam to show up for the surrender and arrested
him for crimes against humanity back in 91'. That was the FIRST mistake in
Iraq.

The Oil for Food scam perpetrated by our European allies was nearly a
declaration of War against the US and clearly showed who's side the greedy
Euro politicians are on.

The Euro media fans the flames against the US even though as time goes by
your naive argument looks more and more marginal at best. Even presented
with the OVERWHELMING evidence you refuse to give even the slightest benefit
of any doubt to GW or the good intentions of the US taxpayer.

Despite your blind hatred of GW he showed more GUTS than any politician
since Reagan (I bet you hated him too even though he saved Europe from
Communism). He knew the political risks involved in his choices to go to
Iraq and rid the world of this oppressive dictator once and for all. He knew
RIGHT vs WRONG and that along with a nudge towards Peace and Democracy and
Freedom will ring throughout the Middle East just as its happened in Europe
and South America.

You have the GALL to mention the Nazi's? Which BTW Europe as a whole
nurtured/fostered and was UNABLE to defend against. Who bailed you out of
that one? Remember the Cold War? Naw, too young and idealistic to remember
history..

I repeat for the LAST time.
The US has done more good in the world than ANY country in the HISTORY of
humanity. Just about ANY country you post to the internet from can almost
directly thank the US for its freedom. Thats saying something despite your
misgivings....

Mitch

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:53:53

See?
It took a Deep Thinker like Adams to come up with the answer!

Thanks, Uncle. :)

Bruce

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:26:29

> See?
> It took a Deep Thinker like Adams to come up with the answer!

> Thanks, Uncle. :)

Just call me Desmond, and you're quite welcome

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **alex martin** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:27:07

Yes thanks for the hysterical post; typical. But let's just clear up your
ignorance for posterity:
1 - Russia won WW2, not the US. That's why Russia lost 20 million troops -
and the US 200,000
2 - Britain fought the war single-handedly after France fell.
3 - France went to war against the Nazis - where were you?
4 - You did not declare war on Nazi Germany - Germany declared war on you.
In 41. Two years after they had vanguished most of Europe. Where were you?
5 - GW's granddaddy was arrested by the FBI in the mid 40s for being the
Nazi Banker in the US. George W probably learnt right from wrong from him.
6 - Europe does not need to declare war against the US - or vice versa. You
have not declared war since the 40s.
7 - The UN was your invention, live with it.
8 - Ronald Reagan is dead.
9 - Ronald Reagan is still dead.

> Your so called "Last resort" does not exist in the Liberal mind nor is it
> part of the Liberal agenda.

> Anyone with a modicum of common sense realizes the time of last resort was
> upon us. Maybe you can turn a blind eye to the cancer of terrorism but
> 9-11 wasnt the only attack on the US by any stretch of anyone's
> imagination.

> Bush 41 should have forced Saddam to show up for the surrender and
> arrested him for crimes against humanity back in 91'. That was the FIRST
> mistake in Iraq.

> The Oil for Food scam perpetrated by our European allies was nearly a
> declaration of War against the US and clearly showed who's side the greedy
> Euro politicians are on.

> The Euro media fans the flames against the US even though as time goes by
> your naive argument looks more and more marginal at best. Even presented
> with the OVERWHELMING evidence you refuse to give even the slightest
> benefit of any doubt to GW or the good intentions of the US taxpayer.

> Despite your blind hatred of GW he showed more GUTS than any politician
> since Reagan (I bet you hated him too even though he saved Europe from
> Communism). He knew the political risks involved in his choices to go to
> Iraq and rid the world of this oppressive dictator once and for all. He
> knew RIGHT vs WRONG and that along with a nudge towards Peace and
> Democracy and Freedom will ring throughout the Middle East just as its
> happened in Europe and South America.

> You have the GALL to mention the Nazi's? Which BTW Europe as a whole
> nurtured/fostered and was UNABLE to defend against. Who bailed you out of
> that one? Remember the Cold War? Naw, too young and idealistic to
> remember history..

> I repeat for the LAST time.
> The US has done more good in the world than ANY country in the HISTORY of
> humanity. Just about ANY country you post to the internet from can almost
> directly thank the US for its freedom. Thats saying something despite
> your misgivings....

> Mitch

>>A normal person understands that war is a last resort, and one that is
>>taken because one's nation is in danger. A normal person understands that
>>democracy is not implemented at the point of a depleted uraniumed bomb.
>>Were it only so, we'd all be nazis by now.

by **elrik** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:34:07

> > > But so what? Every generation looks back with the wisdom of hindsight.
> > > We (Baby-boomer generation) did it and my parents did it and so did
> > > theirs.
> > > My kids will do exactly the same because each generation thinks it has
> > > the answers to life, the universe and everything.

> > > They don't.

> > Actually...it's 42

> Deep thinker that Goy...

Yep. He should have warned you that you wouldn't like the answer. ;o)

Elrikk

by **Marty** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:56:42

Are you really comparing the support for allies in the grip of a growing
Nazi empire with the essentially unilateral, preemptive attack for
bogus reasons of a country that was no threat to US national security?

Geez...

Marty

> A normal person understands that war is a last resort, and one that is taken
> because one's nation is in danger. A normal person understands that
> democracy is not implemented at the point of a depleted uraniumed bomb. Were
> it only so, we'd all be nazis by now.

>>Youre mis-interpreting aggression. If anything like me it's not
>>aggression it's AMAZEMENT that an otherwise seemingly normal person can
>>think in the terms youve described yourself in the past few posts.

>>The flight sim ng is known for its left wing lunatics if youre looking for
>>a fight Alex ;)

>>Mitch

>>>Yes aggression is your nature I've noticed ;-)

>>>>So, how you liking the sims these days?

>>>>(Sorry, but I'm AGGRESSIVELY changing the subject back to, ya know,
>>>>REC.AUTOS.SIMULATORS).

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