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tried:

F1-2000:
awful, worst representation of the track layout. Invented bumps and
elevation changes, corner radius is very wrong and banking and camber are
there, but at completely wrong places.
Verdict: 1 out of 10

SCGT:
awful, track too wide and much too flat.
Verdict: 2 out of 10

MGPRS2:
surprisingly good modelled chicanes , but flat motodrom section. No banking
in the important motodrom sections.
Verdict: 5 out of 10

F1 WORLD GRAND PRIX:
A real surprise. Track is a bit too wide otherwise the outer track section
is pretty much spot on. The motodrom (stadium) is not that well done,
missing realistic brake and acceleration points as well as banking and
realistic curbs.
Verdics: 6 out of 10

SBK2000:
didn't drive much because I don't like the bikes (like the game though), but
the track model is comparable with MGPRS2. Definately one of the weaker
tracks in SBK 2000.
Verdict: 5 out of 10

GP3:
feels just like what I saw, the track layout is spot on. Track width is
correct.  If the Sachs curve was a bit more banked and the elevation change
in the ostcurve was modelled it would be perfect. But the scenery is not
done with much attention to detail and most runoff areas are missing.
Verdict: 8 of  10

The Hockenheim Track model in GP3 beats the representation in every
available sim - with major flaws in the  scenery and buildings. No sim has
really got it right until now.

cheers,
---
Alexander Marx

-- Sjon

that should be Hockenheimring, of course

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(spoiler below)

I haven't noticed madmen wandering about on the track though... (sorry,
couldn't resist it).
--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

+Cinquo

True.

This summarise most of the GP3 tracks.  The tracks themselves are very well
done.  All the corner radius, track width and straight lenghts are nicely
modeled.  Some elevations seem to be missing (ex: the first two chicanes at
Hocke feel flat), but overall all the gradiant elevation are very well done.
The only problem is all the objects surrounding the track itself.  Per
example, exiting the chicane at Montral is a big flat armco wall.  F1 cars
go within inches of it.  In Gp3 it's not there, there is grass and sand
before the wall.  That doesn't mean the track accuracy isn't good.  It's
very good, but for me such thing is an "object placement" problem, not the
track itself :)

With the track editor already released and graphical upgrades being done,
it's just a matter of time until the "object placement" is correctly done.
I mean, the BEST representation of Formula 1 tracks are the user-created
tracks for GP2.  No developer has achieved better accuracy than the
third-party community.  I'm still not buying GP3.  Not yet ;)

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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

marc

Well after watching the race, I must say that the banking on the chicanes
and turns is quite pronounced. At least at those camera angles. You
seemed to see less of that from the incar views. I thought the East
Curve (which is the last of the chicanes I believe) was better done that
I feared from all of your reports. In F1 2000 it is a pretty big downhill
slope. As in real life. The first chicane (senna?) appeared less blind
in real life than in F1 2000.

All in all the track representation of hockenhiem in F1 2000 is not bad
enough to not be enjoyable for me. I really like racing hockenhiem in
F1RS and that was totally flat!

Nope... The #1 thing about the hockenhiem track which I dislike
is that the AI *ALWAYS* seem to spin out on the last turn going
onto the main pit straight. That would certainly wreck any race
attempt. So there I said something bad about F1 2000 :-)

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The stadium looked very flat to me. While many of the esses and turns
(mainly the east curve) had pronounced banks. You couldn't see it
much while you were in the incar though. The esse complex in the
east curve was very downhill just as portrayed in F1 2000.

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Opps... I could have sworn it was called the east curve. I am totally
embarrased now...

But I totally freaked when I first came up to this curve in F1 2000.
Wow.

Huh. I guess the opposite hills you describe haven't sunk in
for me yet. Thankfully :-)

Anyway, on to Hungary. Now is someone going to start with
the F1 2000 Hungary sucks? So far every F1 2000 track has
been really close to the real deal. Well close enough where
I am not totally bummed.

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Elevation limits from hockenheimring.de:

100 NN at start and finish
min 99,40 NN
max 103,50 NN (East curve)