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F1RS --> track non-accuracy

Eric Cot

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by Eric Cot » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Hello to all F1RS fans, i've had this sim for 2 months now. Haven't even
raced on all the
circuits yet, i'm concentrating more on individual tracks that i'm
comfortable with and
improves my setups constantly. I love racing over KALI with others,
although i believe
we'll need much faster modems to prevent all the bugs encountered by
all.

Now in regards of tracks accuracy, i've been thinking about this for
awhile, let's recap
what Ubisoft advertized prior to the release of F1RS, they mentioned
that they've used
countless hours, viewing videos from previous F1 racing broadcast. Then
i thought maybe
they've made some "technical" errors in the way to interpret each
circuits, the layout, the bumps,
the cerbstones and so on... One question i'm asking, is it possible
they've used to some extent
in board cameras (from F1 car) to draw some circuits ? This is a
legitimate question, and i'll
explain : all of you have seen F1 racing from TV broadcast and if you've
seen some footage when
you were seeing from inboard cameras, and specifically the one that is
mount on top of the car
(looks like a periscope), have you found the view was like a wide angle
lens ? For example, following
another car, the car in front looked very distant, actually they were
much closer. Now why i ask this
question?

One circuit that i know pretty well is in Montreal (Circuit Gilles
Villeneuve), been there 4 times.
In F1RS, the hairpin (at the other end of the circuit) it's extremelly
wide, you can go around this hairpin
in escess of 20-25kph faster than the real thing. In reality, F1 car can
go around at about 70 kph. Another
example in Montreal, after negociating Senna hairpin, there's a
right-left sweeper, and to me, it's way too
narrow in F1RS, actually the chicane is not that tight.

(Here i ask all of you, who are native or have been at these circuits,
to give a list of non-accuracy of
 track layout, in this NG)

Other circuits that i know have "bug", at Spa Francorchamps, Pouhon
(it's a long and fast left hander, with
a double apex, this one facing the mountains) has 2 external cerbstone,
where are they in F1RS ?? At the
Bus Stop chicanes, i personnaly feel the cerbstone are too high, same as
the exit. (anyhow i like to clip the
exit at this one).

At the Nurburgring, exiting Dunlop Kurve (long hairpin), there's a fast
left-right sweeper which is taken in 4th
gear, from what i've seen (prevous GP), it's taken flat out (4th), and
i've never saw any depression like the one
in F1RS (leading to an enourmous understeer). Is this accurate ? Also
Veedol Chicane, the cerbstone are way
too high in F1RS. Anyone can confirm this ?

At Hockenheimring, the last chicanes (Ayrton Senna Curve), is it that
tight ?

At Melbourne, there's a corner (no name yet?), which is a fast right
hander taken in 4th (it has the reddish sand
on it's left, for those who know, very easy to pick dirt there from left
tyres), there's definitly a cerbstone on the left,
where is it in F1RS ?

This one has been mentioned in this NG, At the Hungaroring, there's a
fast left corner taken in 5th and is definitly
a blind corner, in F1RS it's flat.

At Monza, Curva di Lesmo and the one before, is it that tight ? In F1RS
you have to take it much slower than what
i've seen, How about Variante Ascari ?

I'm asking you, what else have you found innacurate ? I probably have
other example, but they don't come to mind.

Anyhow, i really enjoy this sim, have fun to all, Eric

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RickD20

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by RickD20 » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Agree with some points but having been to Monaco several times I must say that
the F1RS version is superior to any before, especially the swimming
pool-absolutely brilliant!And spot on for accuracy. Would love to know if
Papyrus plan to include Monaco in GPL?
I personally favour driving Monaco and Hungary for some reason-a brilliant
sim!!

Greg Cisk

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by Greg Cisk » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00


I agree. But just out of curiosity, what do you like about Hungary? I
am sure you have seen the posts here where people are not that
thrilled with the flawed rendition of the track. I like it as it is (because
I am in blissful ignorance) but I was wondering...

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Bruce Kennewel

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

(snip)
....... the flawed rendition of the track.
(unsnip)

Greg........it doesn't come in Rendition version. :-)

--
Bruce
(at work)

"Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
tired."
(Jules Renard)

papa..

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by papa.. » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

If they are modeling F1 then Monoco better be there....

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Infamous
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m.i..

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by m.i.. » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00



I hate to tell you this but Monaco is totally inaccurate and i suggest
you look at the video of the track and you will see that the tarmac and
whole track is too narrow..........it's worse than  Hungary
F1RS is not in the same level as GP2.........

RickD20

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by RickD20 » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Monaco is deceptively wide on television-the section sweeping up past Rosies
bar is frighteningly narrow-no wonder no one can overtake-tv cameras give a
false impression of width.
All the best

RickD20

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by RickD20 » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Maybe because at the end of the day Hungary is a drivers circuit ;) - also set
up seems crucial to good lap times but smooth consistent driving rewards you
with a finish in the points (Damon, whether you like him or not, is a very
smooth driver-look at his victories there)-there seems to be no room for Alesi
style power laps at the circuit. A race in the wet there is even better!
Keep driving.

papa..

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by papa.. » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Wait your arguing with someone who has been there based on your
viewing television....ummm.

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Jon Petersso

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by Jon Petersso » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

. skrev i meddelandet ...



>> Agree with some points but having been to Monaco several times I must say
>> the F1RS version is superior to any before, especially the swimming
>> pool-absolutely brilliant!And spot on for accuracy.
>I hate to tell you this but Monaco is totally inaccurate and i suggest
>you look at the video of the track and you will see that the tarmac and
>whole track is too narrow..........it's worse than  Hungary
>F1RS is not in the same level as GP2.........

Nonsense!

rickd2019 is saying he has been to Monaco several times. I went to the Grand
Prix in 1996 and 1997, and both times I took a walk one lap around the track
right after the race. I agree with him that Monaco is spot on for accuracy.
Oh, but what do WE know?! YOU have watched it on TV!! ;-)

In fact, when I do watch the races on video, I don't recognize the place.
---
Jon Petersson

Dave Henri

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by Dave Henri » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00


> Wait your arguing with someone who has been there based on your
> viewing television....ummm.

> PAPA DOC

  I don't see a problem with that!  After all we all know that you can see a race
better on TV.  At the track you can only see one corner..hehedave henrie
#99 TPTCC
Big Sky Racing-We may be Small, but we're Slow!
> >>I hate to tell you this but Monaco is totally inaccurate and i suggest
> >>you look at the video of the track and you will see that the tarmac and
> >>whole track is too narrow.........

> >Monaco is deceptively wide on television-the section sweeping up past Rosies
> >bar is frighteningly narrow-no wonder no one can overtake-tv cameras give a
> >false impression of width.
> >All the best

> Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
> Infamous
> Pink Flamingo Pilot...


plegr..

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by plegr.. » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Reminds me of a strip joint ....back in 91.....I think it was 91...umm
could have been 81 ahh what the heck anyway me and the buds check this
babe out on a commercial for this club....ooooh man look at them ba boom
ba's...hehehhee....so we loaded up the car and drove down there
promptly...and guess what. The damn things were little
bitty....hehehe...damn tube...gonna be the death of us all.

PAPA DOC

>  I don't see a problem with that!  After all we all know that you can see a race
>better on TV.  At the track you can only see one corner..hehedave henrie
>#99 TPTCC
>Big Sky Racing-We may be Small, but we're Slow!
>> >>I hate to tell you this but Monaco is totally inaccurate and i suggest
>> >>you look at the video of the track and you will see that the tarmac and
>> >>whole track is too narrow.........

>> >Monaco is deceptively wide on television-the section sweeping up past Rosies
>> >bar is frighteningly narrow-no wonder no one can overtake-tv cameras give a
>> >false impression of width.
>> >All the best

>> Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
>> Infamous
>> Pink Flamingo Pilot...


John Walla

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by John Walla » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00


>If they are modeling F1 then Monoco better be there....

Unfortunately life is rarely so simple, as you know. Monaco is in all
current F1 sims because it is a part of the FIA F1 season and
therefore comes under the umbrella license granted by the FIA.
Papyrus' GPL depicts an era before the FIA license and therefore has
to negotiate with each track individually. As you can imagine, for
tracks like Silverstone, Spa, Monaco and the like which are still
under the FIA license as present day F1 tracks, that could be a little
tricky.

I sure do hope that all the tracks are in there, but if they're not I
suspect it's a bit like the Daytona/Indianapolis deal - not much we or
Papyrus can do about it.

(This is just my speculation btw, so feel free to disagree at will!)

Cheers!
John

Bruce Kennewel

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I'd be perfectly happy to accept a track that looks the same as Monaco
(1967 of course) and was called "Principality" (or'Fred'.....doesn't
matter what they call it).  Then, once  have bought the sim, with the
stroke of the in-built editor that Papyrus will include just to cover
this situation (vbg), Hey Presto!!!......I suddenly have 'Monaco'!!!

The same applies to any other circuits where licensing, the FIA and/or
Bonkers Ecclestones may be involved.

--
Bruce.
(At home)

papa..

F1RS --> track non-accuracy

by papa.. » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

eeee.......papy sure does get the short end of the stick it seems all
the time in these issues. Time for new mouthpieces.....

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...


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