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DN why do u sell your converters?

Andre Warring

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Andre Warring » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00


LOL!

Andre

(you were asking for it)

Arto Wik

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Arto Wik » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00



>>Dear racers,

>>somebody commented something by "roflol" after copying tens of lines
>>of the original article. This was not the worst case: sometimes you
>>can see hundreds of lines copied and commentented by a sole "ROFL".
>>I suggest that those writers would make the laughing and rolling on
>>their floors privately, without bothering our very(!) international
>>and very(!) wide spread newsgroup with their personal rolling problems!

>>Arto
>LOL!
>Andre
>(you were asking for it)

ROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOL! (Is that really funny? Not to me.)

(I did not ask for it! And I did not even laugh..., quite the opposite...)

Arto

Andre Warring

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Andre Warring » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00




>>>Dear racers,

>>>somebody commented something by "roflol" after copying tens of lines
>>>of the original article. This was not the worst case: sometimes you
>>>can see hundreds of lines copied and commentented by a sole "ROFL".
>>>I suggest that those writers would make the laughing and rolling on
>>>their floors privately, without bothering our very(!) international
>>>and very(!) wide spread newsgroup with their personal rolling problems!

>>>Arto

>>LOL!

>>Andre

>>(you were asking for it)

>ROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOL! (Is that really funny? Not to me.)

>(I did not ask for it! And I did not even laugh..., quite the opposite...)

You tested GP3 I guess?

Andre

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Bruce Kennewel

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

You must be a very sombre chap, Arto.
Perhaps you could adopt the acronym "NROFLOL"?

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> >>Dear racers,

> >>somebody commented something by "roflol" after copying tens of lines
> >>of the original article. This was not the worst case: sometimes you
> >>can see hundreds of lines copied and commentented by a sole "ROFL".
> >>I suggest that those writers would make the laughing and rolling on
> >>their floors privately, without bothering our very(!) international
> >>and very(!) wide spread newsgroup with their personal rolling problems!

> >>Arto

> >LOL!

> >Andre

> >(you were asking for it)

> ROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOL! (Is that really funny? Not to me.)

> (I did not ask for it! And I did not even laugh..., quite the opposite...)

> Arto

Arto Wik

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Arto Wik » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

:-)

Arto


>You must be a very sombre chap, Arto.
>Perhaps you could adopt the acronym "NROFLOL"?
>--
>Regards,
>Bruce Kennewell,
>Canberra, Australia.
>---------------------------





>> >>Dear racers,

>> >>somebody commented something by "roflol" after copying tens of lines
>> >>of the original article. This was not the worst case: sometimes you
>> >>can see hundreds of lines copied and commentented by a sole "ROFL".
>> >>I suggest that those writers would make the laughing and rolling on
>> >>their floors privately, without bothering our very(!) international
>> >>and very(!) wide spread newsgroup with their personal rolling problems!

>> >>Arto

>> >LOL!

>> >Andre

>> >(you were asking for it)

>> ROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOLROFLOL! (Is that really funny? Not to me.)

>> (I did not ask for it! And I did not even laugh..., quite the opposite...)

>> Arto

Joel Willstei

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Joel Willstei » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00


     Seems to me that Goy has a good grasp of the David Noonan thread.
Without a doubt David has and still continues to be the number 1 maker of
converters,add-ons, & tracks since the early days of ICR2 and Nascar1.  I
shudder to think of just what the auto racing sim community would be like
without his efforts.

     While our hobby is all about racing either on or off line, David's
passion seems to be converting or changing Papyrus sims.

     From the start, David has freely given his time and efforts to us via
the UsPits. Only on two occasions has he decided that he would charge for a
finished product: the original ICR2/n2/n3 converters and the
ICR2/n99/n2/99/gpl converters.  I purchased both of these converters, and
have gotten 10 times my money worth in great racing.

     Personally, I think it's a disgrace that unknown parties would steal
David's work in progress and post a Alfa or Beta track.  This happened with
Road America a while back. And I downloaded it before I knew what it really
was.  I found the track to be fun, but lacked the finished look. When I
found out that it was warez copy, I deleted it, and waited a few more months
for David's finished product. And there was a big difference.

      But what if David just decided at that point it just wasn't worth it
anymore. No more converters, no more great GPL tracks. Where would we all be
?  Who would step in and take over where David left off?  Unfortunately,
from what I've seen, no one is able or capable of doing what David does.

      Be thankful that David doesn't have to get the official rights from
any given track that he wants to create for GPL. For if that was the case, I
highly doubt that he could afford the legal services to handle such matters.
As of now, almost all tracks require official licensing from any company
making a sim for profit, but hasn't bothered with any group or individuals
who choose their track or drivers as a add-on, as these items have always
been free.

      Just read what the West brothers have said about the continuing issues
of licensing of tracks for WSC.  They still haven't been able to finalize
what tracks will be included in WSC.

      Joel Willstein

Eldre

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Eldre » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00


writes:

LOL!
Well, it's *different*...

Eldred
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Richard G Cleg

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Richard G Cleg » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

: It seems to me that this whole thread started with an argument about
: Dave Noonan's right to SELL his product.  

  Suggest you reread the thread then.

Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
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      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
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Goy Larse

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Goy Larse » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00


> actually Eldred, your mail was one of the only well articulated messages
> that didn't come across as a flame.

> My original past was saying that I didn't think Dave was likely to come out
> and say why he would charge for his converts (in response to another's
> post), I also questioned why Dave wouldn't want to at least give a discount
> to those who make products for free that he uses.

> Really that second part, I don't have the right to challenge his morals, I
> didn't mean to, but it came across that way, I was actually hoping Dave
> might read that and think it was a good idea.

> That was all well and good, but then others decided to bring this thread to
> another level. While I tried to just reiterate that fact that more than
> anything else I was just curious about what  went into the product
> development, but perhaps went about it in a fairly poor way. So then people
> were trying to say that they didn't agree with how I decide on purchasing
> software

I can't speak for the others Kai, but it was this line in your original
post that had me going....

Seeing as you have yourself tried arguing your position against others
in a NG like this, do you still think it has something to do with guts
or do you know think it's common sense to put that time into his next
project :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Goy Larse

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Goy Larse » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00


> I can't speak for the others Kai, but it was this line in your original
> post that had me going....

> > I've found Dave Never has the guts to answer this question.

> Seeing as you have yourself tried arguing your position against others
> in a NG like this, do you still think it has something to do with guts
> or do you know think it's common sense to put that time into his next
> project :-)

know=now

I need a better spell checker, one that knows which words I'm actually
trying to write, not the one's I'm writing :-)

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Eldre

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Eldre » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>know=now

>I need a better spell checker, one that knows which words I'm actually
>trying to write, not the one's I'm writing :-)

You also need one that knows there's no apostrophe in "ones"...<g>

Eldred
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Goy Larse

DN why do u sell your converters?

by Goy Larse » Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:00:00



> >know=now

> >I need a better spell checker, one that knows which words I'm actually
> >trying to write, not the one's I'm writing :-)

> You also need one that knows there's no apostrophe in "ones"...<g>

Exactly :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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DN why do u sell your converters?

by J » Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Got a good education by my ISP:
replies to postings have to be longer than the posting. So you have to snip
properly. Was quite annoying in the beginning to get lots of rejects, but it's a
matter of training

Jens

BTW A slightly larger signature also eases the pain ;-)


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