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GPL and XP

hard_at_i

GPL and XP

by hard_at_i » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:55:13

Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP?  I
added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting .75
frames per second.  On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got 35+.
GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardware acceleration
just isn't happening.
Dave Henri

GPL and XP

by Dave Henri » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:52:57

have you tried the d3d patch for gpl?
dh

STP

GPL and XP

by STP » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:17:50


I can't even get GPL running on XP. See the GPL splash screen then it drops
to the desktop. Are you using NTFS or FAT32? I think my problem is relatd to
NTFS. If I didn't have this problem I could see how GPL runs on the Radeon
8500 and maybe help you out.

DG

GPL and XP

by DG » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:19:49


>Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP

Use the D3D patch at papy.com.  The OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards.  D3D
is almost perfect.

I have GPL running on XP, ATi Radeon 32 DDR full resolution, all options on
and never a problem.  If you're unlucky enough to start the game and see an
all black speedo with a big fat white needle then the ATi drivers weren't
installed correctly... took me a day or two to figure that one out.

Dale.

hard_at_i

GPL and XP

by hard_at_i » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:05:32

D3D patch worked fine for me.  Thanks for the suggestion Dave.

Also, I just found the followingon the ATI web site:
The RADEON driver included with Windows XP does NOT support OpenGL.  This
would explain why I was having issues.  A new driver is available on the
Radeon site.  I'm going to wait a bit before I install the new Radeon
driver....

For STP - I'm very definietly running NTFS and it is working fine.

Let's see if we can figure out why you are dropping out.  There is
apparantly a phase in GPL startup when the app screws around with the video
card (maybe the audio card too).  You can disable it talking to the video
card by going into the app.ini file in the GPL directory and set
lastRasterizerDLL = softdll.dll.  Then start GPL.  If the sim now starts,
then you know something is going on with the video card.

To edit the app.ini, go to start, run, notepad.  Then file, open, and browse
to the GPL directory to find the file.




> > Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP?  I
> > added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting
> .75
> > frames per second.  On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got
35+.
> > GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardware
> acceleration
> > just isn't happening.

> I can't even get GPL running on XP. See the GPL splash screen then it
drops
> to the desktop. Are you using NTFS or FAT32? I think my problem is relatd
to
> NTFS. If I didn't have this problem I could see how GPL runs on the Radeon
> 8500 and maybe help you out.

Dan Leac

GPL and XP

by Dan Leac » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:38:29

What speed cpu are you running.?
  dan

STP

GPL and XP

by STP » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:08:45


I already checked that and it was already set to softdll.dll. I even
uninstalled it and reinstalled on the boot partition as per someone elses
suggestion, and it still won't run.
Have tried it unpatched, 1.2us patch, D3D patch....all no go.

STP

GPL and XP

by STP » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:11:07


> Use the D3D patch at papy.com.  The OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards.
D3D
> is almost perfect.

Not their latest drivers for the R8500. They have improved the Opengl
renderer greatly. IL-2 uses OpenGL and it runs as good on the R8500 as it
did on the GF3 I had in here recently.
DG

GPL and XP

by DG » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:02:07



>> Use the D3D patch at papy.com.  The OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards.
>D3D
>> is almost perfect.

>Not their latest drivers for the R8500. They have improved the Opengl
>renderer greatly. IL-2 uses OpenGL and it runs as good on the R8500 as it
>did on the GF3 I had in here recently.

I worded that badly.

The *Papy* OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards.  ATi OpenGL is beautiful.
Half-Life looks great with it.  I've used ATi cards since my P75... ATi's
OpenGL has always been great.

Dale.

hard_at_i

GPL and XP

by hard_at_i » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:58:16

If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, but I
think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video.

What else is running on this system, and are you running the final release
or are you still running an early beta?




> > For STP - I'm very definietly running NTFS and it is working fine.

> > Let's see if we can figure out why you are dropping out.  There is
> > apparantly a phase in GPL startup when the app screws around with the
> video
> > card (maybe the audio card too).  You can disable it talking to the
video
> > card by going into the app.ini file in the GPL directory and set
> > lastRasterizerDLL = softdll.dll.  Then start GPL.  If the sim now
starts,
> > then you know something is going on with the video card.

> > To edit the app.ini, go to start, run, notepad.  Then file, open, and
> browse
> > to the GPL directory to find the file.

> I already checked that and it was already set to softdll.dll. I even
> uninstalled it and reinstalled on the boot partition as per someone elses
> suggestion, and it still won't run.
> Have tried it unpatched, 1.2us patch, D3D patch....all no go.

STP

GPL and XP

by STP » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:53:05


I've unisntalled it now. But, I could'nt even get into the game to set the
renderer anyway. But, app.ini was set to use software mode. I even tried
changing it manually to D3D.

Yea, final release. Someone posted to me on this problem in another thread
and he thinks it's because I'm using NTFS and not FAT32. If I had converted
to NTFS from FAT32 while GPL was installed it would work on the boot
partition. But, I wiped all my partitions clean and converted all partitions
to NTFS beofre installing XP so that is why it won't run. I could convert
one parttion to FAT32, but then I would lose the data on it so don't want to
do that right now. I'll just have to wait until GPL2 comes out. :-)

STP

GPL and XP

by STP » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:57:00


> I worded that badly.

> The *Papy* OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards.  ATi OpenGL is beautiful.
> Half-Life looks great with it.  I've used ATi cards since my P75... ATi's
> OpenGL has always been great.

OK, got you now. I guess I'll have to use D3D then when I get around to
re-installing N4. Can't you force N4 to use the ATI Opengl files dll's
instead of Papy's by deleting their version form the N4 folder? It should
then use the Opengl dll's in the system32 folders. No?
Rafe McAulif

GPL and XP

by Rafe McAulif » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:45:31

On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:58:16 GMT, "hard_at_it"


>If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, but I
>think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video.

That is true, but GPL doesn't use any hardware acceleration until you
enter the***pit and drive away. It will only be using the 2D drivers
when it starts up.

I have heard of the res problem you mentioned previously, this could
be the cause of it (hopefully). Try setting your desktop to 640x480,
16bit color, 60 hz and see if that helps.

Rafe Mc

hard_at_i

GPL and XP

by hard_at_i » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:00:27

I just don't believe the issue is NTFS.  I'm running NTFS.  I've seen
another post of people running NTFS.  And I did a complete clean load of XP
on a brand new hard drive.  I think you are having some other problem.
Given the problems I've had with video and GPL in the past, that is the
first place I would start.  clean load, use the out of the box drivers from
Microsoft and at least see if the thing comes up.  Then start changing
things.

Good luck

I used to have a problem where



> > If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, but
I
> > think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video.

> I've unisntalled it now. But, I could'nt even get into the game to set the
> renderer anyway. But, app.ini was set to use software mode. I even tried
> changing it manually to D3D.

> > What else is running on this system, and are you running the final
release
> > or are you still running an early beta?

> Yea, final release. Someone posted to me on this problem in another thread
> and he thinks it's because I'm using NTFS and not FAT32. If I had
converted
> to NTFS from FAT32 while GPL was installed it would work on the boot
> partition. But, I wiped all my partitions clean and converted all
partitions
> to NTFS beofre installing XP so that is why it won't run. I could convert
> one parttion to FAT32, but then I would lose the data on it so don't want
to
> do that right now. I'll just have to wait until GPL2 comes out. :-)

STP

GPL and XP

by STP » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:28:22


OK, thx. I'm not interested in this title enough anymore (sacrilege, I know)
to go screwing around with my drivers when I have already tried it on two
sets of video drivers and I like the drivers I have now because they solve a
problem with FS2002, which I would rather play than GPL anyway. I'll just
leave it*** for now until the next driver upgrade.


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