rec.autos.simulators

All,

What is it about gore, *** and death and ignorant marketing PR
types? The sd for GP Legends in the latest issue of Computer ***
World proclaims:
"In 1968 they changed the rules of GrandPrix racing to cut down on
driver Fatalities.

Welcome to 1967."

Are we buying or interested in GPLegends so we can die? I don't think
so. I think we all might have vicarious interests in appreciating the
danger of driving a GP car in that era but is GP Legends really about
driver fatalities?  I can't believe that Mike Lescault(sp?) is too
pleased with that ad campaign.

Jeff Haas

Agreed.....it seems that Sierra is so large that taste is something
only the people making the sim have....not marketing

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

On the other hand, while the ad may be in poor taste, I don't think it's
aimed at racing sim fans... we're all going to buy GPL the day it's
released whether they advertise it or not.

I think the ad is aimed at the much larger general *** crowd... the
folks who buy Quake and Duke Nukem type games... if it succeeds in
attracting a good percentage of them, then it's done its job.

Trips

Irrespective of your concern over "death" being advertised, I'd like to
know how on Earth the marketing people came up with such a weird line!!

The rules regarding wings were *written and included* in 1968 (*LATE*
1968) to overcome the dramas occurring with the collapsing of the tall,
strut-mounted aerofoils.  The actual formula rules, the *core* of the
formula, if you like,  between the cars raced at the start of the 3.0
litre era (1966) and thos raced in 1968, were almost identical.

So what the blazes are they talking about?!  Driver fatalities in 1967
were *NOT* due to teams introducing wings in 1968 and were *NOT* due to
the Rules being updated later that year in order to ban strut-mounted
wings!!

As I said...."weird"!!

        You're exactly right Trips.  And MOST IMPORTANTLY, justified the
expense and manpower to create this and other simmies from
Sierra/Papy/et al.  Most of us here consider ourselves the ***
gamers/simmers but as far as market share, we all combined prolly don't
amount to a hill of beans when it comes to sales volume.  It's the
masses who dabble in arcade mode and only race at 'Dega such that keep
Sierra and others in business.

        TTYL
        Karl

        Poor taste be damned, I like it ;)

        TTYL
        Karl

"Grand Prix II -- back to those golden days of 1994 when Roland
Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna splattered themselves at 200 mph at
Imola before the days of wimpy chicanes and high***pit sides...

I hope that for the vast, vast majority of us, death is an unwelcome
intruder in the sport we love.  I watch for the skill of the drivers
and the roar of the cars, and I want my racing sims to reflect those
same attitudes.  I make a point of avoiding Quake and games of that
sort.  I've been thinking very seriously of cancelling my subscription
to CGW because the ads have become so repulsive, but I never thought
that Sierra/Papyrus would stoop so low...

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I too remember Jim Clark's death though I was only a kid. And I also
remember it as a sad event. But it's also true that the instrinsic dangers
of motor sport are an element of it's attraction. High speed is exciting
precisely because it's dangerous - if it weren't it wouldn't get your
heart racing. Dangerous sports are so popular now because they are
dangerous. The very many brave souls who have died or been seriously
injured at all levels of motor sport are heroes because they risk their
lives. The same is true of mountaineers, polar explorers, hang gliders,
free-style parachutists etc. I can understand why Sierra/Papyrus would use
that line to sell it. And it's different to shoot 'em ups because the risk
is perpetrated against one self and not against someone else.
PJ

"Hill of beans"?
We'd be lucky to amount to a *PLATE* of beans!!

What you have written may contain a certain amount of fact but there are
also some errors.....the 3.0 litre formula came into being for season
1966; by 1967 the chassis were nothing like those of the 1.5 litre era.

However, it doesn't explain the reason why Sierras marketing gurus have
written advertising copy that makes no sense, either historically or
chronologically!!

(I posted a response to this yesterday with some incorrect info:- I said
that the rules were changed in 1968 to ban high, strut-mounted wings.
This is wrong...there were no rule changes until 1969, at the Monaco GP,
where the strut-mounted wings were made illegal.)

So that makes the advertising blurb even more incorrect!

Trips

Im not denigrating any of them. Im attempting to learn a bit about
what they did....to better understand what all the books I read about
them were talking about...

If you are so enamored with Sierra that you cant see that the ad is in
poor taste I feel sorry for you. Its only a game....using the deaths
of REAL people to advertise a game is wrong....not legally...but
morally and besides that its just damn bad taste. What is it wrong to
have good taste...must everything be judged against Quake morals and
found to be ok...?

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

LOL!
I think we've all been there, Neil :o)