/Christer, just a little bit smarter than a chimp, relatively speaking
Fatalities are in bad taste, but injuries and writing off your motor
(and not having it repaired with the press of a button) are passable.
These are in effect in each major racing series, each race, each season,
so maybe they should be included in sims.
--
Spudgun
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
UncleGoy on TEN
> Denny Hulme actually stated that when he died he hoped that it would be
> at the wheel of a racing car.
> It may not have been a Brabham BT20 but he went out the way he wanted.
> I agree Byron......there are an awful lot of sanctimonious hypocrites
> out there who, if they would be honest and stopped being so ***y
> politically correct for five minutes, would feel a damn sight better by
> admitting that they like the danger aspect of their motor racing
> spectating.
> Life is a lottery, boys and girls, whether you are motor racing or
> driving to work.
> > Some of you may kid yourself that the danger aspect of the sport only appeals to 14 year
> > olds, but your just wrong. In fact, we are talking about the very difference between sim
> > racing and real life racing here. The danger element is the key element in racing and the
> > fact this danger was very high in this era more than justifies this type of sales pitch IMO.
> > This is what makes them "Heros"! Why you are all so sentimental about these deceased drivers
> > I do not know. Go visit a baby born ***ed to *** if you want to feel sorry for
> > someone. To me, this is just about outrageously out of perspective! I'd guess there are
> > people who will die of old age that would have gladly swapped places with some of these
> > deceased racing drivers just to have experienced the highs of such a lifestyle. Like I said
> > before, I think some of you need to put this stuff into perspective a little.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce.
> ----------
> The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:-
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Personally I dont see why everyone is so uptight about the injury/death thing
anyway. Injuries are commonplace in several sports (and in most of their
respective sims as well), so why must there be a double-standard here? Also, I
dont think any of the parties involved in making this sim have a problem with
the death issue either. Otherwise, none of the families of late drivers would
have granted the use of their names.
As far as the Sierra ad goes. I dont think they are selling death, but rather
the whole element of danger inherent in the sport back then. If they wanted to
sell death, a picture of something like Bandini crashing in a flaming wreck
would have graced those pages instead.
F1Filter
I've witnessed three fatalities at IMS, Art Pollard (1973), Gordon
Smiley (1982) and Scott Brayton (1996). They were all very disturbing,
especially Gordon Smiley as there was basically nothing left of the car.
I do not like witnessing such things. However, the risk and the
associated anxiety adds to the e***ment, like it or not. This is why
many prefer open wheel racing at 200+MPH to stock cars. If a driver
"rubs" in an open wheel car, he/she may likely only do so once. It
simply requires bigger balls.
I was a fan of Scott Brayton - a likable guy who was in the sport for
the right reasons. He simply enjoyed it. You could hear it in his voice
and see it on his face. However, when I think back about him and his
death, I don't "feel sorry" for him. For his orphaned daughter,
absolutely. For him, no. While he didn't make a mistake (his tire blew),
he knew the risks and likely had a smile on his face when he entered
turn two.
You nailed it Bryon. Let's have some perspective. As for political
correctness, subjective analysis of others "taste," blah, blah,
friggin', blah, get over it.
Jim
> Some of you may kid yourself that the danger aspect of the sport only appeals to 14 year
> olds, but your just wrong. In fact, we are talking about the very difference between sim
> racing and real life racing here. The danger element is the key element in racing and the
> fact this danger was very high in this era more than justifies this type of sales pitch IMO.
> This is what makes them "Heros"! Why you are all so sentimental about these deceased drivers
> I do not know. Go visit a baby born ***ed to *** if you want to feel sorry for
> someone. To me, this is just about outrageously out of perspective! I'd guess there are
> people who will die of old age that would have gladly swapped places with some of these
> deceased racing drivers just to have experienced the highs of such a lifestyle. Like I said
> before, I think some of you need to put this stuff into perspective a little.
> It seems that many people have forgotten that racing back then was indeed
> considered a "Professional ***sport"
--
Regards,
Bruce.
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The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:-
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> Guys, are all Aussies as outspoken as you two, man I love your style
> guys, keep it up :-D
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Bruce #33
>How many "heros" are you denigrating the memory of when you play a
>military flight-sim or historical wargame?!
>> Sorry to bust up the party....but selling a game is no reason to be
>> disrespectful to the very hero's we are simulating....there is no
>> justification to selling death. This is a game...nothing more. The
>> people who died were NOT playing a game and using their ultimate
>> sacrifice to sell a game is something we should be upset about....
>--
>Regards,
>Bruce.
>----------
>The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:-
>http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
> 3
> I've witnessed three fatalities at IMS, Art Pollard (1973), Gordon
> Smiley (1982) and Scott Brayton (1996). They were all very disturbing,
> especially Gordon Smiley as there was basically nothing left of the car.
> I do not like witnessing such things. However, the risk and the
> associated anxiety adds to the e***ment, like it or not. This is why
> many prefer open wheel racing at 200+MPH to stock cars. If a driver
> "rubs" in an open wheel car, he/she may likely only do so once. It
> simply requires bigger balls.
> I was a fan of Scott Brayton - a likable guy who was in the sport for
> the right reasons. He simply enjoyed it. You could hear it in his voice
> and see it on his face. However, when I think back about him and his
> death, I don't "feel sorry" for him. For his orphaned daughter,
> absolutely. For him, no. While he didn't make a mistake (his tire blew),
> he knew the risks and likely had a smile on his face when he entered
> turn two.
> You nailed it Bryon. Let's have some perspective. As for political
> correctness, subjective analysis of others "taste," blah, blah,
> friggin', blah, get over it.
> Jim
OK, enough of this. I happen to enjoy scaring the shit out of myself
in my Porsche Boxster but I don't want to die in it and there is a BIG
difference between playing up a death wish and enjoying being on the
edge. I don't consider myself a ***ing politically correct person and
if you knew me you would laugh at the suggestion. I am just fed up
with the bullshit advertising that has escalated in the game
community. I have no patience for the "lowest common denominator"
mentality that seems to have swept through everything and playing up
death is just that in this instance.
I look forward to the next version of 'Legends when we can see Mr.
Lauda's face on fire in 1024x768 24 bit color tri filtered, mulitple
light sourcing with the flesh blistering. Imagine the sales for that
one!
Jeff
> OK, enough of this.
Well, there you go! You managed to let us all know that you have a
Porsche Boxster. Feel better now?
You probably will, if you keep scaring yourself or, even worse, you'll
kill someone else and manage to survive yourself.
....nor one with a large vocabulary either, it would appear.
A stroke of genius! The major advertising houses will be beating a path
to your door even as I type!
--
Regards,
Bruce.
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The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:-
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Randy
Randy Magruder
http://members.home.com/rmagruder
> ROFL! Good one...hey I'll just slip in that I have a '99 Miata...<G>
> (see, everyone can play :) )
_______
Bruce,
Well I guess you took the bait. I'm outta here on this one. Sorry I
even mentioned the wonderful ad.
bye,
Jeff
