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Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

Ed Solhei

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Ed Solhei » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 04:26:54

- Is it out?
- In the works?
- Not going to happen?

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ed_

B.Farme

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by B.Farme » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 04:52:12



I'll second this... if Jason is running 54.9s at Pocono w/ the fast setup &
no draft, I need all the help I can get.  ;-(

Brian

Ed Solhei

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Ed Solhei » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 05:08:27

Brian said:

Well I for one only want it for the graphically displayed race reports :-)

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eD_

Bob

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Bob » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 06:08:45

On its way, but it ain't gonna be free :-)
http://home.bip.net/martin/n2002ra/



Ed Solhei

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Ed Solhei » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 07:54:22



Ahh... so *thats* why its been so quiet about it... :-)

'Hate it when some want to make a profit on stuff like this though.....
makes me wonder how many tracks/cars/utilites/drivers/leauges we would have
if everyone wanted to earn a dime on their "product"... :-/

Who'll be the first to ask $10 for a track?
--
ed_

Martin Granbe

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Martin Granbe » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 15:14:18



>- Is it out?

Not yet, but some info can be found at
http://home.bip.net/martin/n2002ra/

It is finished and will hopefully be released early next week, along
with a more informative website.

Cheers,

/Martin

Douglas Elliso

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Douglas Elliso » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:57:09



It's gonna be $10 or something so I've heard.

Which - imho - is against EVERYTHING that this community is about.

I've only been involved in one GPL project ( And all I did was make a few
3do's for castle combe)

BUT - Mike Cotching and Fred Norm......   spent litterally HUNDREDS AND
HUNDREDS of hours doing that track

At a programmers rate of 25 an hour - Castle Combe would have probably cost
10,000 to make.

That - plus the huge ammount of bandwidth to host it ( half a dozen gigs of
transfer)  - It's not a 'cheap' thing to do.

Now, whilst I have to say well done for doing the GPLRA - ( I used it, loved
it) - I will not pay for a community product.

I say the same now I said to Noonan.  Do it for free - or leave it to
someone else who will.

Doug

Schoone

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Schoone » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:31:49

Developing software takes a lot of time and effort.  Asking for a few
dollars is not unfair.
If people don't want to buy it then it's still open for someone to make a
freeware version of their own.
I'd rather have people developing a number of decent pay programs than only
have a rare few free ones.




> > - Is it out?
> > - In the works?
> > - Not going to happen?

> > --
> > ed_

> It's gonna be $10 or something so I've heard.

> Which - imho - is against EVERYTHING that this community is about.

> I've only been involved in one GPL project ( And all I did was make a few
> 3do's for castle combe)

> BUT - Mike Cotching and Fred Norm......   spent litterally HUNDREDS AND
> HUNDREDS of hours doing that track

> At a programmers rate of 25 an hour - Castle Combe would have probably
cost
> 10,000 to make.

> That - plus the huge ammount of bandwidth to host it ( half a dozen gigs
of
> transfer)  - It's not a 'cheap' thing to do.

> Now, whilst I have to say well done for doing the GPLRA - ( I used it,
loved
> it) - I will not pay for a community product.

> I say the same now I said to Noonan.  Do it for free - or leave it to
> someone else who will.

> Doug

Douglas Elliso

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Douglas Elliso » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:43:08


Dont disagree

Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team.

Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a
few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for
his N2k2 templates?

I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be
contributing

Scott B. Huste

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:49:14

Not intended to be a flame Douglas, but who are you to tell someone how they
should spend their time and what they should do with their efforts and
creations?   So nobody should create anything, unless it's in the "community
spirit"?  Otherwise they have to be a "commercial" venture?   Yes, there are
alot, no.. a TON, of free creations out there and many people certainly
appreciate all the efforts of these groups.  Nobody would want to pay for
everything with all the mods/updates put out there.  But, if someone wants
to spend time creating something and ask for a little cash in return, I see
nothing wrong with it.

I don't see any problems asking a modest fee for someone's efforts,
particularly when they are "unique".  It's a pretty old practice under the
shareware concept.  If you don't want to pay for it, don't.  Just don't be
asking others for copies or hacking the registration as that is piracy. It's
shareware.

I understand creations for the community, I understand Open & GPL licenses,
I understand shareware, and I understand commercial ventures.   I don't see
why anyone has to be "forced" into one or the other in order to contribute
to the community.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.Husted.cc




> > Developing software takes a lot of time and effort.
> Dont disagree

> >  Asking for a few dollars is not unfair.

> Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team.

> Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a
> few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for
> his N2k2 templates?

> I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be
> contributing

Eldre

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Eldre » Sat, 08 Jun 2002 01:52:47



>I say the same now I said to Noonan.  Do it for free - or leave it to
>someone else who will.

If that's all you're going to say, that's fair enough.  You're entitled to your
opinion, and I support that.  But if you're gonna constantly nag about it, be
prepared for the pushback you'll get.
Personally, I don't see any problem with someone charging.  I probably won't
buy it, but it *is* a free enterprise...  If others will pay for it, that's
their choice, and it's fine.  If nobody buys it, maybe they'll remove the fee.

Eldred
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Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sat, 08 Jun 2002 02:20:23


> If that's all you're going to say, that's fair enough.  You're entitled to your
> opinion, and I support that.  But if you're gonna constantly nag about it, be
> prepared for the pushback you'll get.

Oh I think it's pretty much a given that young Ellison will nag about
people daring to charge for software

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

Scott B. Huste

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 08 Jun 2002 02:27:19

I think that all the free mod creators should form a union to keep out those
who charge a fee.   <VBG>  =P

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc



> > If that's all you're going to say, that's fair enough.  You're entitled
to your
> > opinion, and I support that.  But if you're gonna constantly nag about
it, be
> > prepared for the pushback you'll get.

> Oh I think it's pretty much a given that young Ellison will nag about
> people daring to charge for software

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> --Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by Goy Larse » Sat, 08 Jun 2002 02:49:47


> I think that all the free mod creators should form a union to keep out those
> who charge a fee.   <VBG>  =P

Would they charge a fee from their members I wonder.....

Seriously, we need a bit of both, shareware and freeware both have their
place, you vote with your wallet, if the Martin's RA was something I'd
feel like using, I'd be willing to pay for it, same with Dave's
converters

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

motorslu

Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

by motorslu » Sat, 08 Jun 2002 03:41:37

On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:43:08 +0100, "Douglas Ellison"




>> Developing software takes a lot of time and effort.
>Dont disagree

>>  Asking for a few dollars is not unfair.

>Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team.

>Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a
>few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for
>his N2k2 templates?

>I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be
>contributing

I take it you must be either a socialist or a communist.
"We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds;
 our planet is the mental institution of the universe."

-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


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