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by **Don Wilsh** » Thu, 26 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> Merry Christmas!!<G>

> Drivers:

> Well, tonight I just had 8 races in Kali!! Latencies varied from .25
> to .30!!! There was NO "ghosting, flickering, nor Hand of God"
> problems.

> I have come to this conclusion about racing on the Internet, Yes it's
> possible and stable!!!

> Here are the important steps in racing on the I-net:

> 1) They key here is the "ping" feature. Generally, you "can" accept
> ping reponses from 100 to as high as 600ms. Even though you ping
> someone ( I suggest you ping the person "manually", it's more
> accurate ) and he/she is in the right range, you have to ping them
> several times until they have become stablized.

> Meaning this, let's driver A pings at 600ms. I ping him again and he
> is 223ms, then again at 330ms. As you can see, he isn't really
> stable. What you really want, is to ping someone until the "range" is
> stable or consistant. Let's say Driver b pinged at 334ms, and I do it
> again several times, his results are 331ms, 336ms, 333ms. You see he
> is stable. This would be a great connection to race with. But you also
> have to have a "stable" connection!! Are you still with me??

> You see the Internet is "unstable" majority of the time. The transfer
> rate on the Internet goes from one extreme to another ( up and down
> ). Once you have overcome this barrier, you will have a killer
> connection to race with. Got it??

> The stablization is also dependant on your ISP!! Some ISPs are slower
> than others. Run a traceroute program to see how your ISP is going to
> the Gateway. You will see how many times it connects..

> 2) There were times we couldn't hook up at all!! So Pat Dotson and I
> tried "server" mode. That worked great!!

> In this mode, both of unload Kali (kali /u for DOS, haven't done in
> Win95 yet), then one of decides to be the "host" and the other person
> will use "your IP address" to log onto ( This is the "dailer" or
> caller ). You can still run KCHAT and wait for the person until he
> connects to you.

> I would like to continue testing on Kali and Kahn( haven't done it,
> yet!!) Any volunteers???

> Don?? Steve?? Lyman?? Wallace?? Pekka?? Anyone??

> Just email me..or call and let's get busy..

> Happy Holidays!!

> take care

> Julian Data
> IVGA Member #0004
> Director of Information Technology
> ACE Beta Tester and Driver of IVGA
> Channel Operator of #ivga on IRC (Undernet)
> Powered by IVGA Pro Gamer System P6-200 oc 233, 96MB EDO

Julian:

let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali
or Kahn...

Don Wilshe

by **Mike Polensk** » Fri, 27 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> Merry Christmas!!<G>

> Drivers:
> I would like to continue testing on Kali and Kahn( haven't done it,
> yet!!) Any volunteers???

> Just email me..or call and let's get busy..

> Happy Holidays!!

Sure, let me know when your ready. This sure is a heck of alot cheaper
than Hawaii and I'll do whatever I can to get it working right for
everyone. I have Kali and Kahn loaded but with Kahn I have not found
any race partners yet.

Mike-p on Hawaii
Dragon2U on Kali

by **Dave Bar** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

It might be do-able of the person answering has a T1 connection or a
cable modem. ISDN might even do it. That's assuming that N2 uses a
client server modle, which I think it does (Jim? Help me out here?).
such as Fighter Duel and Quake. If it's strictly peer-to-peer though,
everyone in the game would need a super-fast connection for 8 player.

Or, I could be completely full of shit. I dunno, I just felt like
sticking my nose in <g>.

David

*** You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever.***

by **Dave Bar** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

j

Well, I'm no Nascar Hotshot, but I am quite familiar with Kali and
Kahn, and I'd be glad to help if you want to do some testing. I have
both the Win95 and DOS versions of both programs registered and
running, so just look for me on WTR (I go by AKCobra) whenever your
on.

David

*** You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever.***

by **Patrick L. Dotso** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali
> or Kahn...

Been there, done that. You can't do it hosting with a 28.8k modem,
but if you find someone to host with a cable modem or isdn, it can
work. I've been in 8 player races where the host had a cable modem
and it wasn't bad.

--
Pat Dotson

by **Mike Grand** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> > let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali
> > or Kahn...

> Been there, done that. You can't do it hosting with a 28.8k modem,
> but if you find someone to host with a cable modem or isdn, it can
> work. I've been in 8 player races where the host had a cable modem
> and it wasn't bad.

> --
> Pat Dotson

I have had some luck and some good races with my 28.8 modem. I use
Netcom and it only allowes me to connect at 24k bps. It has worked very
well when hooked up with someone using a cablemodem or ISDN as the
host. We have had as many as 6 drivers with very little warping under
the right circumstances. It is my understanding that there is going to
be a new standard for modem communications called X2. We have high speed
lines where I live but I live too far away from the central office to
utilize ISDN. But X2 is supposed to be capable of 56K bps. I would think
that would make for a pretty good connection. Does anyone have any more
info on that.

Also, Time Warner just took over my hometown cable company and they
informed me that we would have cablemodem access in the spring. Looks
like Time Warner is taking over most of the country. A company called
Cablevision Industries is supposed to suuply the service.

read the press release at:

by **Wayne William** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Pat,

X2 is only 56 on incomming data and you have to be connected
to an ISP with digital switches. Two X2 modems will do no better
than 28.8.

Regards,
---Wayne.

> > > let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali
> > > or Kahn...

> > Been there, done that. You can't do it hosting with a 28.8k modem,
> > but if you find someone to host with a cable modem or isdn, it can
> > work. I've been in 8 player races where the host had a cable modem
> > and it wasn't bad.

> > --
> > Pat Dotson

> I have had some luck and some good races with my 28.8 modem. I use
> Netcom and it only allowes me to connect at 24k bps. It has worked very
> well when hooked up with someone using a cablemodem or ISDN as the
> host. We have had as many as 6 drivers with very little warping under
> the right circumstances. It is my understanding that there is going to
> be a new standard for modem communications called X2. We have high speed
> lines where I live but I live too far away from the central office to
> utilize ISDN. But X2 is supposed to be capable of 56K bps. I would think
> that would make for a pretty good connection. Does anyone have any more
> info on that.

> Also, Time Warner just took over my hometown cable company and they
> informed me that we would have cablemodem access in the spring. Looks
> like Time Warner is taking over most of the country. A company called
> Cablevision Industries is supposed to suuply the service.

> read the press release at:

l

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by **John Wallac** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

writes

Okay European guys!

Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast
PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble.

Any takers...?
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by **John Wallac** » Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:00:00

<cough> <choke> Sorry, caught me napping there

Sure, I have Kali and Kahn and would be happy to test.

Cheers!
John

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by **Patrick L. Dotso** » Sun, 29 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> Pat,

> X2 is only 56 on incomming data and you have to be connected
> to an ISP with digital switches. Two X2 modems will do no better
> than 28.8.

I never mentioned X2, only cable and isdn modems. I have to believe,
though, that someone with X2 technology will have better luck
hosting multiplayer races than someone with a 28.8.

--
Pat Dotson

by **Richard Walk** » Sun, 29 Dec 1996 04:00:00

On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:24:39 +0000, John Wallace

>Okay European guys!

>Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast
>PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble.

Better yet, you set the date & time. Otherwise you'll get 8 different
ones <g>.

Cheers,
Richard

PS Count me in!

by **Richard Walk** » Mon, 30 Dec 1996 04:00:00

On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:24:39 +0000, John Wallace

>Okay European guys!

>Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast
>PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble.

Better yet, you set the date & time. Otherwise you'll get 8 different
ones <g>.

Cheers,
Richard

PS Count me in!

by **dhen..** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

>be a new standard for modem communications called X2. We have high speed
>lines where I live but I live too far away from the central office to
>utilize ISDN. But X2 is supposed to be capable of 56K bps. I would think
>that would make for a pretty good connection. Does anyone have any more
>info on that.

I can't see that X2 will be much of a help in ***. The upstream pipe
is still 28kbs or 33.6kbs. Only a digital connection at the source would
make the 57K available as a oneway ticket your home.
Dave Henrie

by **dhen..** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

writes:

could do, we'd be better off finding a modem bud in our home towns, rather
than reaching out
into the vastness of the net. If, however, you can get 8 players up and
running or Kali or Kahn, then the world should be informed, ...LOUDLY!
Dave Henrie

by **GNaujo** » Mon, 06 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Hi John,

> Okay European guys!
> Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast
> PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble.
> Any takers...?

If you wait some days until I have a new modem and a ISP I will be there.
<g> And I think Achim could be interested too. <bg>

Georg

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