rec.autos.simulators

by **(alan** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I don't know whether this is possible or not, but it is frustrating
not being able to join most races on vroc lately because I don't own
N99 or N2. Which means I don't have the raw material for the track
converter to work from, and so can't create the "new GPL tracks".

Is it possible for the required files to be made available for
download? - either in pre- or post- converted form would be great.

I don't feel there would be anything *morally* wrong with this, as I
own my copy of GPL - but don't want to buy/can't afford to get the
other games.

My apologies if this request offends some people.

Cheers

Alan.

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Its illegal. You can get ahold of N2 from used software retailers for like
9 bucks.

by **Paul Jone** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

The Pits have a firm and stated anti-piracy policy and since these are
not tracks from GPL but are part of other games, I think they are quite
right to ensure that you already own those games. I wouldn't be at all
surprised if this wasn't a condition of Papyrus allowing them to go
ahead - after developing a track is a very time consuming and therefore
expensive task. Papyrus have given us GPL, ICR2, N2 and N99 - you bought
GPL, good for you, but you should buy the other games if you want to use
the tracks contained in them. Besides none of us want to see Papy do
anything but succeed in the market place so that they can go on
developing what is quite clearly the most realistic physics engine of
any racing title out there.
Look at it like this - you spend $1500 on computer hardware but only a
fraction of that on each racing simulation. You can probably get N2 and
ICR2 in the bargain ba***t which will give you 3 tracks of the 5
tracks. Dubai is free from the pits.
Cheers,
Paul

> I don't know whether this is possible or not, but it is frustrating
> not being able to join most races on vroc lately because I don't own
> N99 or N2. Which means I don't have the raw material for the track
> converter to work from, and so can't create the "new GPL tracks".

> Is it possible for the required files to be made available for
> download? - either in pre- or post- converted form would be great.

> I don't feel there would be anything *morally* wrong with this, as I
> own my copy of GPL - but don't want to buy/can't afford to get the
> other games.

> My apologies if this request offends some people.

> Cheers

> Alan.

by **ymenar** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

<alan> wrote

Yes I understand your need... you have your GPL copy but you don't have a
copy of Nascar Racing 2 or Nascar Racing 99, thus is makes it illegal, since
that would mean posting copyrighted code by Papyrus (the complete track
folder converted or not).

And be sure that I know about what's legal and what's not :)

You can buy Nascar Racing 99 for about 25$ US.. and it will be even less
when the converter will be released (no idea when). I feel it's quite a
good investment.. since you also have N2 tracks on the CD (NR99 is missing
Pocono and North Wilkesbor, and N2 has old configurations of some tracks).

Oh yes to the VROC group.. any indication if there will be adjustments made
to the software for the new tracks ? There's many bug now with the tracks
(200+minute time left to some races). Especially on the names of the track.
Because in the converter.. you have Icr2 Loudon and N2 loudon. Those two
tracks are physically different, but in VROC they are shown by the same
name.. could be important to determinate them.. maybe with a thing in front
(N2Nwhamp, I2Nwhamp, N99Nwhamp).

There is tracks from N2 to NR99 who are just a little different (Bristol,
Texas, C***te), so it could create some bad stuff online if somebody has
a N2 C***te and NR99 c***te on the same time (Turn4 is different. alot
smoother in NR99).

We will need to create some sort of agreement toward that... very important.
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by **(alan** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:38:49 -0600, "Chris Schletter"

>Its illegal. You can get ahold of N2 from used software retailers for like
>9 bucks.

OK, I take the point made by another poster about $1500 worth of
computer equipment....

But here in Perth Australia the only place I've seen selling "old"
games charges $A40-$60 for them - we don't seem to have the cheap
"old" software like in US and UK. I know I should buy the stuff online
- but to me that raises other questions about supporting local
industry (and not wanting to support those countries whose economies
rely on selling arms to the third world - I've just finished reading
John Pilger's excellent Hidden Agendas <g>).

Perhaps someone could work out what *percentage* of the other games I
would be getting, and I would be very happy to send the same
percentage of the original selling price of the game to Papyrus, in
return for getting those tracks, but not the rest of the game.

Alan.

by **Peter Gag** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

> I don't feel there would be anything *morally* wrong with this, as I
> own my copy of GPL - but don't want to buy/can't afford to get the
> other games.

You are saying because you cannot afford something, its ok to obtain a
pirated version. Wrong, I'm sure thats what every burglar, bank
robber, and mugger tells himself too. Obviously your m***standards
are not very high?

You also say you don't want to buy the games, but you want to use the
tracks from these very same games?

Not much of an argument is it really?

Just buy the games. Electronic Boutique had a three game "Sierra" pack
recently which included N2 & ICR2 for 20 ukp. Put some money back
into the industry. Do the right thing.

It does, *BUY THE GAMES*!!!

*Peter*

by **Paul Jone** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

> I know I should buy the stuff online
> - but to me that raises other questions about supporting local
> industry (and not wanting to support those countries whose economies
> rely on selling arms to the third world - I've just finished reading
> John Pilger's excellent Hidden Agendas <g>).

I don't think that Papyrus are involved in the arms trade. I also doubt that any
of the trivial amount of money that you spend on buying N2/ICR2/N99 would end up
any where the arms trade - don't tar the whole of the US and UK with the same
brush. Like Australia doesn't export arms and related equipment! Besides you
have already spent money on GPL a good proportion of which has wound up in US
hands.
You may not accept the above arguments and may wish to boycott the makers of the
finest simulation software in the world - fine - you only m***alternative is
to not race on these new tracks. Remember the old adage "Two wrongs do not make
a right". Punishing Papyrus for the sins of the arms trade through piracy
doesn't exactly seem just to me. Besides why does it matter when this excellant
software was developed? You are happy to benefit from the work that the crew at
the Pits do for nothing (and they come from non-Australian arms exporting
countries) but you baulk at rewarding the large amounts of effort put in by
essentially similarly motivated people (the staff at Papyrus). Let's apply
Immanual Kant's ethical formula to this one - "how would it be if everyone did
this?" - easy, Papyrus would go broke and GPL would be the last quality
simulation for quite some time.
Ho, hum.....buy it or wait until an Australian company develop a simulation of
equivalent quality, which, if everyone were to apply your morality about
supporting local industry, will fail in the market place because Australia's
market is not big enough to support such a niche product.
Cheers,
Paul

by **Wayne Bradle** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Someone already has the tracks up on a WEB site. BAD NEWS!!!

Wayne

> > I don't feel there would be anything *morally* wrong with this, as I
> > own my copy of GPL - but don't want to buy/can't afford to get the
> > other games.

> You are saying because you cannot afford something, its ok to obtain a
> pirated version. Wrong, I'm sure thats what every burglar, bank
> robber, and mugger tells himself too. Obviously your m***standards
> are not very high?

> You also say you don't want to buy the games, but you want to use the
> tracks from these very same games?

> Not much of an argument is it really?

> Just buy the games. Electronic Boutique had a three game "Sierra" pack
> recently which included N2 & ICR2 for 20 ukp. Put some money back
> into the industry. Do the right thing.

> > My apologies if this request offends some people.

> It does, *BUY THE GAMES*!!!

> *Peter*

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Uh huh. Get a grip. Either spend the dough and buy the remaining two games
of the three required for the converter to work as specified, or don't.

Hidden agendas, yeah right.....

by **Wosc** » Sun, 28 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I know a guy that had it up on his site for a while but took it down after
people told him it was wrong. Some people out there are just inconsiderate
and don't care about the companies that make these products. I just hope
that they learn after this little running that posting copyrighted material
"is bad, uhm K" (Southpark).

Ok, done with my rant.
Jesse

by **Uwe Schuerka** » Sun, 28 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>> I know I should buy the stuff online
>> - but to me that raises other questions about supporting local
>> industry (and not wanting to support those countries whose economies
>> rely on selling arms to the third world - I've just finished reading
>> John Pilger's excellent Hidden Agendas <g>).

Read Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael" to find out why arms are being traded
in the first place, it really makes fascinating reading. There's a
website too: http://bnetwork.com

Cheers,

Uwe

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by **Alison Hi** » Sun, 28 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>Is it possible for the required files to be made available for
>download? - either in pre- or post- converted form would be great.

I already owned ICR2, CART Racing, N2, and the BGN expansion pack, but I
immediately went out and bought NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition to get
Homestead. And I was glad to do it.

Come on! Support the people who gave us these fantastic sims, rather
than stealing from them.

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by **Gaul** » Mon, 29 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>...Regardless... this isn't 'stealing'. You're not playing the game
>as it was sold on the retail shelf. You're using a hacked likeness of one
>of the 'levels' contained therein.

So do you really think that its not stealing if you only take a PART of
someone else's work and effort? It doesn't matter that it's not the
complete game... some programmer took the time to put that track together,
and should be compensated for his/her work. It doesn't matter if it's been
hacked or not...you're still using part of their copyrighted creation. For
more on this, see countless lawsuits due to sampling in the music industry.

by **Mike** » Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Without that country, you'd be speaking Japanese, mate.

>On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:38:49 -0600, "Chris Schletter"

>>Its illegal. You can get ahold of N2 from used software retailers for
like
>>9 bucks.

>OK, I take the point made by another poster about $1500 worth of
>computer equipment....

>But here in Perth Australia the only place I've seen selling "old"
>games charges $A40-$60 for them - we don't seem to have the cheap
>"old" software like in US and UK. I know I should buy the stuff online
>- but to me that raises other questions about supporting local
>industry (and not wanting to support those countries whose economies
>rely on selling arms to the third world - I've just finished reading
>John Pilger's excellent Hidden Agendas <g>).

>Perhaps someone could work out what *percentage* of the other games I
>would be getting, and I would be very happy to send the same
>percentage of the original selling price of the game to Papyrus, in
>return for getting those tracks, but not the rest of the game.

>Alan.

by **Mark C Dod** » Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:00:00

There are forums for this type of discussion and rec.auto's ain't one of them.

P.S. As an Australian you should be thankfull that the American interests also
included the saving of Australia, Without them we would be speaking Japanese but
they did it to stop Japs having a new base, not because they felt any sympathy
for the Australian public. After all, they let England struggle againt the Nazis
for years without aid but ovepriced and outdated equipment which they made
England pay for for decades after the war.

> Yes........sure we would. Once again the American ego leaps to the
> immediate conclusion that their lot in life has been to act as saviour of
> oppressed nations since the pilgrims sat down and had roast turkey for lunch
> before slaughtering their Indian hosts.

> Thanks for reminding us of that.

> >Without that country, you'd be speaking Japanese, mate.

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