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RSC and their mods

jason moye

RSC and their mods

by jason moye » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:48:12


> How about one that provides a list of 14 year old girls seeking older
> (21+) men to "date"?

There are laws in most countries prohibiting that.  A forum hosted in a
country that does not prohibit that sort of behavior would not need to
follow any sort of guidelines.
jason moye

RSC and their mods

by jason moye » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:52:11


> I also consider the attachment of warning icons
> on my posts to be abusive, harassing, false, and defamatory, which
> I'm sure is covered by some USA law, or at least good enough for a
> civil suit.

Good luck trying to convince an American judge that your voluntary
participation in a forum which has a policy that involves openly
displaying when a user is given a warning for inappropriate posting is
somehow violating the law, civil or otherwise.
Jeff Rei

RSC and their mods

by Jeff Rei » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:53:51

Or a more reasonable example, a forum that distributes it's members
email addresses to spammers (now illegal in the USA).

Jeff Rei

RSC and their mods

by Jeff Rei » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:14:41

I was never planning on doing this. However, this policy of open
displaying of warnings isn't mentioned in the rules of the forum
that a new  member agrees to when joining the forum. They should
indicate that this happens as part of the agreement. Also it's an
issue when the moderators can deem any post inappropriate, such as
my case where they were stating I had to agree to no longer post
links to any video (including ones I had made myself). I don't know
if the agreement when a member joins is a contract, but it should
be treated as one.

For example, what if a forum sent all member's information, like
email address to a spammer? When a member joins a forum, the agreement
should clearly state what the member is permitting the moderators
to do with the information that the user supplies to the forum
via profiles and posts.

BTW the video I posted was in the public domain, as it was made for
ITV during a practice session, and not part of an official F1 event.
This means my post wasn't inappropriate.

As previously mentioned, I'm done with RSC. I left, they deleted
my posts, and then banned me, which doesn't mean much as I can
still read the forums, and I don't plan on contributing anything
to RSC anymore anyway.

jon

RSC and their mods

by jon » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:49:33


Thanks for replying - it's from the ITV (UK) F1 coverage, commentated by
Martin Brundle.  Looks a lot like DC's qualifying lap or a quick practice
lap - great video.  But as ITV licenses footage from FOA, I'd put good money
on Bernie owning the copyright to this.

Either way, nice lap.

jason moye

RSC and their mods

by jason moye » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:54:38


> I guess I'm a shift fan, here's a video of a lap at Spa with
> F1C99-02 RH2004 season mod (very fast manual shifting being used here):

I agree that the shifting in LFS is a tad slow, but of course in a
modern F1 car you're going to be able to get instantaneous shifting,
it's a semi-automatic transmission.
Kran

RSC and their mods

by Kran » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:12:59


> I think my posts about Live For Speed weren't sitting well with the mods
> at RSC, and I was getting a bit of extra attention. I complained about the
> physics in S1 making cars like the LX6 unstable (this wasn't popular
> with the die-hard Live For Slow fans). When S2 alpha was released, I
> was asking for two things. Slicks for all cars (there's a mod for this

They weren't sitting well because about every one of the regular
visitors just about had enough of your links to videos you made, posts
of your real caterham/lotus 7/whatever, you complaining about the
instability of the LXs' and how your real life caterham/lotus 7/whatever
even when it has Ford whatever engine having how much ever more HP than
LX6, is more stable, and that you demand slicks for all cars even when
the cars are supposed to be pretty much stock and all the babble about
biasply tires.

The first time was cool, "hey, someone with a real LX, wow" but the
ump***th post about it, starts to get on ones nerves.

alex martin

RSC and their mods

by alex martin » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:31:13

The plural of thesis is theses as far as I can tell ...

Dave Henri

RSC and their mods

by Dave Henri » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:29:22



  so?

lol

dave henrie

alex martin

RSC and their mods

by alex martin » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:58:52




>>> For pity's sake...it's a freekin' Race Sim site.  It's not a
>>> publisher of scientific thesi.

>> The plural of thesis is theses as far as I can tell ...

>  so?
> lol
> dave henrie

So now you know.
Jeff Rei

RSC and their mods

by Jeff Rei » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:19:37



>> I think my posts about Live For Speed weren't sitting well with the mods
>> at RSC, and I was getting a bit of extra attention. I complained about the
>> physics in S1 making cars like the LX6 unstable (this wasn't popular
>> with the die-hard Live For Slow fans). When S2 alpha was released, I
>> was asking for two things. Slicks for all cars (there's a mod for this
> They weren't sitting well because about every one of the regular visitors just about had enough of your links to
> videos you made.

I only made 2 LFS S1 videos, one of the LX6 with slicks, and one
showing the bumper problem.

LFS S1 had a poor physics model, both tires and *** for the car, it
affected the LX6 the most because the LX6 is RWD and had the highest
power to weigh ratio in S1. S2 fixed this the cars are much more stable
now.

Regarding slicks for all cars, other people thought it was important
enough to create mods to allow this. In the case of S2, the mod was
made within 2 weeks of the release of S2 alpha. In the case of S1,
with a poor tire model that had been improved when it added slicks,
the mod was a good addition to the game.

The babble about bias ply tires was to point out that the simplified
tire model had traction falling off way too fast once past the limits,
and that almost all non-down force racing classes use bias ply tires.

It was just one thread, with a lot of the LFS fanatics trying to defend
a game with flawed phsycis, claiming this is how real cars behave, when
in fact LFS S1 didn't model how real cars behaved at the limits.

Note that none of the moderators complained about any of my posts
regarding the flaws in LFS.

Scirocc

RSC and their mods

by Scirocc » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:52:54


> First a RSC moderator edits a post of my to delete a link to a widely
> available (back in 2002) video of David Coulthard doing a qualifying
> lap back from 2002.



So, are you finally admitting that you yourself don't even know where the
footage is from?

Scirocc

RSC and their mods

by Scirocc » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:55:11


BS.  Get your facts straight before posting.  I never said anything about
the FIA sending anything to anyone.  I told you that if you could show me
something, anything, saying that this is in the public domain, I'd remove
the warning immediately.  Otherwise, it'd disappear in a week.  Is one week
really that hard to take??

In your infinite wisdom while trying to show how the video was in the
"public domain", you sent me a link to another website that hosted the
video.  That site has the following disclaimer word for word: "These video
clips are only intended for a 24 hour educational personal preview only, for
all other purposes you have to buy the original licensed recording. After
your 24 hour personal educational use of these clips you must delete them."

Jeff Rei

RSC and their mods

by Jeff Rei » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:57:05

In the case of S1, the Road Supers were poorly modeled and unstable.
The slicks later added to S1, had a better tire model. This is part
of the reason I wanted slicks on all cars. I would have asked for
a better tire model, but that wasn't going to happend until S2.

In the case of S2, I would have liked slicks seen on more cars than
the game allowed, but rather than drawing a line, I suggested
slicks for all cars and allowing the players to decide, or a server
host. This would allow servers to not allow slicks for all cars,
keeping the field level for those that choose not tor race slicks.
I wasn't the only one, as another person made a mod to allow
slicks on for all cars, and this was 4th post in that thread.
(RSC deleted the link, but it was noted that a web search
would locate the mod).

LFS S2 is a racing simulator, allows setup changes like gearing,
differential settings, and all sort of adjustments not available
no "stock" cars. So why limit the cars to "stock" tires when
they aren't limited to stock differentials or gearing?

This was because so few people that don't race aren't aware of the
fact that most non-downforce racing cars use bias ply slicks, and
that even radial racing tires, both DOT and slicks, behave more
like bias ply tires than the radial street tires that come stock
on most cars. Racing tires are more forgiving at the limits,
give more warning, and the breakaway grip is much close to
maximum grip.

The main flaw in S1 was the breakway grip was much less than
maximum grip, causing the cars to be unstable. This significant
flaw was my main complaint about LFS S1.

S2 is much better, but still has it's issues.

Scirocc

RSC and their mods

by Scirocc » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:58:14


Why'd you stick around so long if you feel this strongly about it?  It's not
like you haven't had publicly displayed warnings before....


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