rec.autos.simulators

How do you figure it was in the public domain?  I would imagine that most,
if not all, F1 footage from recent years is (c) FOA.  For example, see
http://www.f1onboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=6703

Thanks, it's a shame that no one can ever post a link to any
of those videos at RSC anymore. However feel free to copy
and/or rehost anything you find on my web site. That stuff is
there to share, and I'm not worried about getting credit for
it. It's sort of a hobby of mine.

I don't think it came from an actual F1 event. It's a on-board video of David
Coulthard doing a solo run of a single lap at Spa, probably a demonstration for
the broadcaster and not an actual F1 qualifying lap (although the time was quick).
The commentator has an English accent, but I don't remember what country the
broadcaster was located. At the time I downloaded the video, I was pretty sure
that the web site hosting the video mentioned that the video was released by
the broadcaster, or David Coulthard himself, into the public domain (which is
why I believe that it wasn't an F1 event, since the broadcaster or David
Coulthard was releasing this video). This was over 3 years ago, and I don't
remember that URL anymore, although I've seen it at other web sites. You can
download this video from the link, and let me know if you recognize it. This
video has been around at many sites since 2002, and other than the passing
of time and lack of interest, I assume it's still around at many sites, just
harder to find.

http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/spaf1.wmv

  Thats it?  YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING?  All this angst, all this
indignation over a yellow warning icon?   Gosh.  It is a wonder your kids
haven't been run out of school, or that your wife still walks down the
street in public with you.  I'm suprised that grocers sell you food since
EVERYONE knows you have a yellow icon.  

  I'm sorry I ever got involved in this thread.  I'm done.  I cannot
believe that this is the reason for all these posts.  Good day to all.
Ask me a question about a sim, ask me how to be a really slow sim driver,
but don't expect me to contribute to this drivel any further.
dave henrie

Yeah, now I remember that the announcer was Martin Brundle. Also, if I
remember correctly, the video was from a broadcast (or rebroadcast) from ITV.

I think my posts about Live For Speed weren't sitting well with the mods
at RSC, and I was getting a bit of extra attention. I complained about the
physics in S1 making cars like the LX6 unstable (this wasn't popular
with the die-hard Live For Slow fans). When S2 alpha was released, I
was asking for two things. Slicks for all cars (there's a mod for this
now, only 15kb in size, just do a web search), and faster shifters for
the race cars. I posted a link to two videos, one of a BMW 320 E36 race
car in action with a very fast sequential shifter. Turn down the speakers
on this first video, the rear end is really loud (high pitch squeal
at high speeds). It's a cool video because there are 4 classes of cars
running, and this very fast car is starting from the back of the pack
because of a qualifying issue:

Click on the Rolf Van Os in een BMW ... E36 link here:
http://www.supercarchallenge.nl/videos.asp

and I posted a link to that DC (David Coulthard) video, as an example
of a fast autoshifter. I had posted the link to that DC video
several times before at RSC, without any issue. I think that my LFS
suggestions were the real reason I was getting so much attention
from the moderators, but it could have just been coincidence that
this was the first time they noticed this video.

Regarding the LFS stuff, posting this video regarding the quality
of LFS collision physics probably didn't help me win over any
LFS fans (energy charged walls?):

http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/lfsbmpr.wmv

It started as a yellow warning icon (which I still feel is wrong),
but the moderators escalated this by making demands that I agree
to never post a link to another video again, even if it was a
video that I had made myself. Then Mbrio responds to my comparing
the of the warning icons to defamation of character (I was
referencing their stated rule 4.1), and demands that I mail
a hand written letter that I agree to allow the warning icons
within 24 hours or be banned.

That is what I would call extreme.

In the words of Rambo, "they drew first ***".

Please note that I didn't start this thread. The orignal complaint
is that the moderators are deleteing or closing threads, and
issuing more warnings than they used to. I was just pointing out
my specific case as an example of things getting carried away.

In that Rolf Van Os vid, I think his car has an Xtrack box. Very fast
sequential shifter those things. Did the cars in LFS have Xtrack boxes?

No, all cars shift at the same rate. The first verion of LFS was mostly
low powered street cars, no slicks, the fastest being a Lotus 7 replica
(I own such a car, a Caterham SV). Later they added a MRT5, a very
light racing car but restricted to 65hp (this is a real and licensed
car in LFS), but it had slicks, and a mod was created to allow
slicks on the other cars. The standard tire model in S1 was unstable,
but the slicks were better, so it the slick mod was a definate
improvment to the game.

LFS is supposed to be the king of racing sims (at least according to
it's fans), but is lacking in some areas. For the most part, LFS
version 1 (S1) was Live for Slow.

The release of S2 (version 2) includes true racing type cars, some
similar to the E36, and a 3 liter Forumula V8 car, "FO8" (similar to the
now gone Formula 3000 class, except the LFS versions supposedly have
tunnel effects on the underside of the bodies which isn't allowed on
the Formula cars (They get skidboards instead)). With the "FO8"
the game finally has some real speed to it, but the slow shift
rate of the car (and possibly the powerband of the engine), results
in a situation where it's faster to setup a car to only use
3 or 4 gears on a track, instead of all 6.

This was my complaint or suggestion for improvement to S2. That the
all out racing cars should have very fast shifters. I want to use
all 6 gears on a car (or 7 in the case of the Ferrari in F1C 99-02).

I guess I'm a shift fan, here's a video of a lap at Spa with
F1C99-02 RH2004 season mod (very fast manual shifting being used here):

http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/f1cspa.wmv

My other suggestion was to allow slicks on all cars in S2, but it
doesn't matter as a mod to do this was quickly created after
the release of S2 alpha.

As a comparson, here's a vid of a fast lap in LFS S2's FO8 car.
Speed ranges from about 50mph in the hairpin (taken in 3rd gear)
to about 160mph (6th gear), yet only 4 gears are used. The shifts
are actaully faster than normal, because auto-lift is turned off,
(damage is also turned off, else the engine would blow up from
from the excess revs between shifts).

http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/s2blf8.wmv

Oops a typo, make that speed range 60mph to near 160mph (158).

Stepping through the S2 video, it's taking over about 1/3rd of a
second to speed shift the car, about 300ms, compare this to the
30ms to 50ms of a sequential no lift shifter, and the shift time
is 6 to 10 times longer than it should be.

Sorry that this is getting off topic, but as previously posted, I
think I stirred up things with my LFS posts, and this contributed
to the attention I received by the RSC moderators.

    Sounds like now they may be guilty of discrimination also. :)

    Sounds pretty stupid to me. They must be a bunch of***heads - all they
need to do is respond to complaints. Imagine what sort of a no life ***wit
you'd have to be to screen every post on those forums - LOL.

    Sounds like a league director that screens entire race replays looking
for incidents instead of waiting for drivers to protest.