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by **BendsMaste** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I've been driving GPL ever since its release and only now I discovered
F2 and how fun it is, plus it seems more competitive even though there
is less engine power to play with. I have based my setups for F1
mostly from Ian Lake and Wolfgang Woeger, and after mixing in other
bits from some of the other fast boys out there I finally -after
months- have set-ups I am happy with, for the time being anyway.
But in F2 I just haven't got a clue. I have based my setups from the
F1 setups and I just seem to be the slowest on the track. My technique
isn't too good at the moment on a F2 race since I have only just
started, and I tend to drive the car in the same way I would in F1,
but I am sure my setups are not helping me. The other I tried the
default GPL setup in F2, and I ended up with a more balanced car in
the end. It is very frustrating to finish a lap and find out that I've
gone around in 1:40s or something like that, whereas in F1 I can lap
consistently (after many months of course!) in 1:28.00 sometimes with
a few 1:27s when I manage to slip stream on the straight.
Can anyone give me some advice on F2 or perhaps point in the right
direction?

Thanks.

Mauricio.

by **Michael Barlo** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> I've been driving GPL ever since its release and only now I discovered
> F2 and how fun it is, plus it seems more competitive even though there
> is less engine power to play with. I have based my setups for F1
> mostly from Ian Lake and Wolfgang Woeger, and after mixing in other
> bits from some of the other fast boys out there I finally -after
> months- have set-ups I am happy with, for the time being anyway.
> But in F2 I just haven't got a clue. I have based my setups from the
> F1 setups and I just seem to be the slowest on the track. My technique
> isn't too good at the moment on a F2 race since I have only just
> started, and I tend to drive the car in the same way I would in F1,
> but I am sure my setups are not helping me. The other I tried the
> default GPL setup in F2, and I ended up with a more balanced car in
> the end. It is very frustrating to finish a lap and find out that I've
> gone around in 1:40s or something like that, whereas in F1 I can lap
> consistently (after many months of course!) in 1:28.00 sometimes with
> a few 1:27s when I manage to slip stream on the straight.
> Can anyone give me some advice on F2 or perhaps point in the right
> direction?

> Thanks.

> Mauricio.

I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in GPL
anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
thinking.

As far as places to download setups.. You're best off developing your
own setup *after* you have mastered driving the F2's. However,
sometimes a downloaded setup will help. try these..
http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/index.htm

I'm also sure that Alison has some available on her pages.
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by **<Dpo..** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Steve smiths F2 page, http://www.simracing.com/f2superguide/
especially read about the pros and cons of various F2 chassis

> Mr. smith pointed out that the setups for the F2s are totally different to
those
> for the F1s.

> His setups can be accessed via Alisons site, the URL for which I don't
have access
> to at the moment. I think you can get it through http://www.theuspits.com

> > > I've been driving GPL ever since its release and only now I discovered
> > > F2 and how fun it is, plus it seems more competitive even though there
> > > is less engine power to play with. I have based my setups for F1
> > > mostly from Ian Lake and Wolfgang Woeger, and after mixing in other
> > > bits from some of the other fast boys out there I finally -after
> > > months- have set-ups I am happy with, for the time being anyway.
> > > But in F2 I just haven't got a clue. I have based my setups from the
> > > F1 setups and I just seem to be the slowest on the track. My technique
> > > isn't too good at the moment on a F2 race since I have only just
> > > started, and I tend to drive the car in the same way I would in F1,
> > > but I am sure my setups are not helping me. The other I tried the
> > > default GPL setup in F2, and I ended up with a more balanced car in
> > > the end. It is very frustrating to finish a lap and find out that I've
> > > gone around in 1:40s or something like that, whereas in F1 I can lap
> > > consistently (after many months of course!) in 1:28.00 sometimes with
> > > a few 1:27s when I manage to slip stream on the straight.
> > > Can anyone give me some advice on F2 or perhaps point in the right
> > > direction?

> > > Thanks.

> > > Mauricio.

> > I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in
GPL
> > anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
> > for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
> > thinking.

> > As far as places to download setups.. You're best off
developing your
> > own setup *after* you have mastered driving the F2's. However,
> > sometimes a downloaded setup will help. try these..
> > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/index.htm

> > I'm also sure that Alison has some available on her pages.
> > --
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> > =========================================
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by **Trip** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>> I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in GPL
>>anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
>>for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
>>thinking.

The F2's have less grip than the F1's. The F3's have even less grip.
The F2's all use the same engine, producing around 270HP, while the
F3's all use a 140 or so HP engine.

Don't get frustrated. The F2's and F3's will improve your driving. You
might want to look into the VROC F2 club... details are at
http://www.vroc.net

David Bell

by **Leaky_Valv** » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Mr. smith pointed out that the setups for the F2s are totally different to those
for the F1s.

His setups can be accessed via Alisons site, the URL for which I don't have access
to at the moment. I think you can get it through http://www.theuspits.com

> > I've been driving GPL ever since its release and only now I discovered
> > F2 and how fun it is, plus it seems more competitive even though there
> > is less engine power to play with. I have based my setups for F1
> > mostly from Ian Lake and Wolfgang Woeger, and after mixing in other
> > bits from some of the other fast boys out there I finally -after
> > months- have set-ups I am happy with, for the time being anyway.
> > But in F2 I just haven't got a clue. I have based my setups from the
> > F1 setups and I just seem to be the slowest on the track. My technique
> > isn't too good at the moment on a F2 race since I have only just
> > started, and I tend to drive the car in the same way I would in F1,
> > but I am sure my setups are not helping me. The other I tried the
> > default GPL setup in F2, and I ended up with a more balanced car in
> > the end. It is very frustrating to finish a lap and find out that I've
> > gone around in 1:40s or something like that, whereas in F1 I can lap
> > consistently (after many months of course!) in 1:28.00 sometimes with
> > a few 1:27s when I manage to slip stream on the straight.
> > Can anyone give me some advice on F2 or perhaps point in the right
> > direction?

> > Thanks.

> > Mauricio.

> I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in GPL
> anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
> for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
> thinking.

> As far as places to download setups.. You're best off developing your
> own setup *after* you have mastered driving the F2's. However,
> sometimes a downloaded setup will help. try these..
> http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/index.htm

> I'm also sure that Alison has some available on her pages.
> --
> =========================================
> Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
> =========================================
> http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/

> Racing online with the help of......

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> Holodyne Engineering
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in GPL
>anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
>for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
>thinking.

I don't think so. I've found it MUCH easier to spin an F2 or F3 car. I can't
seem to get the same sensation of speed, thus I always hit the corner WAY too
fast... I tried F3 for a weekend once, got frustrated, and haven't tried it
since.

Eldred
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by **Chuck Kandle** » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> > I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in GPL
> >anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
> >for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
> >thinking.

> I don't think so. I've found it MUCH easier to spin an F2 or F3 car. I can't
> seem to get the same sensation of speed, thus I always hit the corner WAY too
> fast... I tried F3 for a weekend once, got frustrated, and haven't tried it
> since.

That's funny. The opposite has been my experience. The F3's seem extremely easy
to drive. But it also seems to give me bad habits that don't translate well when
I get back into the F1***pit, & I spin more because of it. I just started
messing with the F3's last week, and yesterday I set me a new PB out at Monza of
1:54.86 with an Eagle. I've yet to get under my PB of 1:30.20 in the F1, though.

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by **BendsMaste** » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:24:16 +1100, Leaky_Valve
Thanks for the info Michael, I went to the uspits web site and easily
found the Steve Smith's F2 setups guides, which are a good base to
start with, plus there are many setups to download and experiment
with. Here is URL if anyone else is interested:
http://www.simracing.com/f2superguide/

Mauricio.

>Mr. smith pointed out that the setups for the F2s are totally different to those
>for the F1s.

>His setups can be accessed via Alisons site, the URL for which I don't have access
>to at the moment. I think you can get it through http://www.theuspits.com

>> > I've been driving GPL ever since its release and only now I discovered
>> > F2 and how fun it is, plus it seems more competitive even though there
>> > is less engine power to play with. I have based my setups for F1
>> > mostly from Ian Lake and Wolfgang Woeger, and after mixing in other
>> > bits from some of the other fast boys out there I finally -after
>> > months- have set-ups I am happy with, for the time being anyway.
>> > But in F2 I just haven't got a clue. I have based my setups from the
>> > F1 setups and I just seem to be the slowest on the track. My technique
>> > isn't too good at the moment on a F2 race since I have only just
>> > started, and I tend to drive the car in the same way I would in F1,
>> > but I am sure my setups are not helping me. The other I tried the
>> > default GPL setup in F2, and I ended up with a more balanced car in
>> > the end. It is very frustrating to finish a lap and find out that I've
>> > gone around in 1:40s or something like that, whereas in F1 I can lap
>> > consistently (after many months of course!) in 1:28.00 sometimes with
>> > a few 1:27s when I manage to slip stream on the straight.
>> > Can anyone give me some advice on F2 or perhaps point in the right
>> > direction?

>> > Thanks.

>> > Mauricio.

>> I believe the F2's and the F3's are identical to the F1's (in GPL
>> anyhow). The only difference would be the rev/rpm limiter. Your setups
>> for the F2 should look at that! Your driving should reflect the same
>> thinking.

>> As far as places to download setups.. You're best off developing your
>> own setup *after* you have mastered driving the F2's. However,
>> sometimes a downloaded setup will help. try these..
>> http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/index.htm

>> I'm also sure that Alison has some available on her pages.
>> --
>> =========================================
>> Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
>> =========================================
>> http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/

>> Racing online with the help of......

>> Race Communications Association
>> Holodyne Engineering
>> Mystic Music
>> (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

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by **Michael Barlo** » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I think I just gave you the reason for your spinning.. You have to
drive the car differently from the F1 because you don't have the power
to catch the spin. That's one reason why I like the F3's, because it
gives me more of a challenge then the F1's. If you do decide to give
the F3 another shot, just remember that you have to think more about
energy conservation and a more precise line then you do with F1. If you
put these into the equation, you'll run laps as fast if not faster then
the fastest F3 drivers. (side note.. it's then easier to get fast laps
in F1 because what you learned in F3/F2)

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by **Peter Ive** » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I haven't tried F2 much - only raced a few online races - but with Gpl
1.2 the default setup for the Lotus is way off for gearing. At Monza
for instance the car is on the rev-limiter in 5th before I cross the
start/finish line and before I reach the bridge at the Ascari and I have
also noticed this for the Lotus at other tracks that I have driven. I
think that's the first place to start.
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 13 Dec 1999 04:00:00

writes:

Yow - you find the F3 easier, I find the F1 easier... I wish I knew how this
related to my driving style.

What kind of monitor, and what speed system do you have? Maybe your system
runs smoother, so your sensation of speed is better. I have an AMD K6II 350
with a 15" monitor.

Eldred
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by **Chuck Kandle** » Mon, 13 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> writes:

> >> I don't think so. I've found it MUCH easier to spin an F2 or F3 car. I
> >can't
> >> seem to get the same sensation of speed, thus I always hit the corner WAY
> >too
> >> fast... I tried F3 for a weekend once, got frustrated, and haven't tried
> >it
> >> since.

> >That's funny. The opposite has been my experience. The F3's seem extremely
> >easy
> >to drive. But it also seems to give me bad habits that don't translate well
> >when
> >I get back into the F1***pit, & I spin more because of it. I just started
> >messing with the F3's last week, and yesterday I set me a new PB out at Monza
> >of
> >1:54.86 with an Eagle. I've yet to get under my PB of 1:30.20 in the F1,
> >though.

> Yow - you find the F3 easier, I find the F1 easier... I wish I knew how this
> related to my driving style.

> What kind of monitor, and what speed system do you have? Maybe your system
> runs smoother, so your sensation of speed is better. I have an AMD K6II 350
> with a 15" monitor.

My system is a Celeron 466 (not overclocked), 64MB RAM (waiting on prices to get
back down for 128 more), V3 3000 o/c to 176mHz, and a 17" ViewSonic at 1024x768.
Oops. In GPL I'm running 800x600, cuz I like all my video options full tilt
boogie. The more I think about it, I believe it may be a hold over from all the
years I put into ICR2. I still tend to wanna over-control the car. Don't get me
wrong. In an F1, I can certainly hang that tail out there. But the F3 seems
easier. You're probably one of them there balls-to-the-wall, let-it-all-hang-out
hellraisers that can make those F1's scream, eh? ;-) Maybe we can compromise &
meet F2's one day. :-)

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 13 Dec 1999 04:00:00

writes:

Yeah, the F1 is screaming because there's such a HACK driving it.<g> I'm by no
means fast(or good) in F1. My PB at Monaco(F1) is 1:41, which I've recently
been informed is slower than the average *F3* driver... I'm just *worse* in
an F2 or F3.
Well, your system is faster, your monitor is larger, and your resolution is
higher(I'm running in 640x480. The combination of those may be why you're
better.
I'd have no problems racing you, as long as you don't run me over when you LAP
me... :-)

Eldred
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by **BendsMaste** » Thu, 16 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>That's funny. The opposite has been my experience. The F3's seem extremely easy
>to drive. But it also seems to give me bad habits that don't translate well when
>I get back into the F1***pit, & I spin more because of it. I just started
>messing with the F3's last week, and yesterday I set me a new PB out at Monza of
>1:54.86 with an Eagle. I've yet to get under my PB of 1:30.20 in the F1, though.

I found the F3's far too slow in my opinion, but the F2's seem to
require me to be much smoother with the car, and a consistent line on
the track seems to be even more important now I have less engine
power. But in general F2 for me is like another racing car altogether
just like the cars in RC2000, in an sense. Thankfully it doesn't
affect my driving anywhere else, yet. I guess the fact I am always
playing different driving sims must be some help. One thing is for
sure, you should not develop habits when racing, your approach should
be methodical and based on discipline so you can explore more the
limits of your own ability. If you've got stuck on some times on
certain circuits, it's time to try something different, it's working
for me so far and it's made me more analytical about my driving
technique and car setups, as well as car choices.
I'll say no more.

Cheers.

Mauricio.

by **Eldre** » Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>I found the F3's far too slow in my opinion, but the F2's seem to
>require me to be much smoother with the car, and a consistent line on
>the track seems to be even more important now I have less engine
>power. But in general F2 for me is like another racing car altogether
>just like the cars in RC2000, in an sense. Thankfully it doesn't
>affect my driving anywhere else, yet. I guess the fact I am always
>playing different driving sims must be some help. One thing is for
>sure, you should not develop habits when racing, your approach should
>be methodical and based on discipline so you can explore more the
>limits of your own ability. If you've got stuck on some times on
>certain circuits, it's time to try something different, it's working
>for me so far and it's made me more analytical about my driving
>technique and car setups, as well as car choices.
>I'll say no more.

Why NOT say more? The more info people have, the better off they are. Believe
me, if you say too much, SOMEONE will let you know...<g>

Eldred - who's off to waste time around the 'Ring. Maybe I'll get under 11:00
YET...
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