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It's not neck and neck at all a 2.53 P$ comprehensively beats an 2200XP in
almost all common benchmarks.
Since introducing the 533fsb P4's have been on a performance parity with
their AMD rated equivalents, a 2.26 P4 plays a***for tat game in the
benchmarks against a 2200XP.

Dunno what the peak is but the typical is 56w compared to a typical of 61.5w
for a 2200XP.

but 'typical' can mean a lot of things, and is a fairly 'fluff' figure to be
basing comparisons like this off..

The Athlon will run a lot hotter at the same wattage output BTW (as the core
is MUCH smaller, so the heat per cm/2 is higher, infact, the Tbred tends to
run hotter in this regard than a Palomino)

-JB

Well i wouldnt consider a max rating as any more relevant as it only counts
when the processor is continually being stressed, which doesnt happen in
every day computing & most of todays OS's slow the processor down during
idle cycles via ACPI thus keeping it from being continually run at 100%
usage.

Comparing the XP2200+ to the P4 2.5G in SiSoft Sandra 2002 CPU &
Multimedia benchmarks, it holds it's ground pretty good.  It ran at
99.9% of the P4 score on the CPU benchmark & at 93.6% on the Multimedia
benchmark.  Remember, it's true clockspeed is only 71% of the P4.  Not
shabby at all, especially when it costs about 1/3 the price.

In all fairness, it does somewhat fall over in memory bandwidth, running
at 61.8% of the P4's rate.  But is the price difference really justified
by what you're getting?

I agree with Larry.  They're basically neck & neck.

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Fester

If you are specifying a cooling solution for a processor, do you specify one
that can keep the processor cool at it's typical heat output, or at its
maximum.

-JB

There seem to be quite a few Via-based motherboards that are disabling
the  HALT cooling in latter BIOS revisons, if it wasn't disabled
already.

You can also see this trend a lot when people report their "idle"
temps with various heastsinks...  Even most cheap heatsinks, properly
mounted, will keep an Athlon under 40C with HALT enabled.

Dave
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I would specify one that is rated for the at least 2 steps above the
processor I was intending to buy i.e. if I was going for a 1600xp Athlon I
would buy a cooler rated to at least 1800xp or even a 2000xp, I would not
bother going into the details of cpu heat output as I trust that
CoolerMaster or GlobalWin or whichever manufacturer i chose will have
already done this for me.

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

It *doesn't*. It gives even faker results than 3dmark does since it uses
different code for different processors. The results aren't comparable at
all.

Sandra's a piece of sheit, plain and simple.

...Assuming that 1.8 will do 2.4GHz that is, which I'd imagine is far from
certain.

If it does, more power to you, but it will be a bit of a gamble... :-)

It's well known that AMD's "Performance Ratings" have been pretty
conservative.

I just go by what the experts report.

-Larry

-Larry

Define "comprehensively beats ".

The major hardware sites, i.e. Toms Hardware, indeed show the P4 2.53 faster
than the XP2200+, but it ain't no landslide, and it sure as HELL ain't $400+
worth of difference.

The question isn't whether the 2.53Ghz Northwood is faster than the XP2200+.
We all KNOW it is.  The question is whether you can justify such a small
gain for so, SO much money.

I sure can't.

I don't hate Intel.  I'd love to be able to buy Intel.  But until their
prices are at least remotely in line with the competition, I'm not buying.

-Larry

AMD's performance ratings aren't scaled against the P4 anyway, they are scaled
against the Athlon Thunderbird.

-JB

Keep smoking that stuff...hehe