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James Boswel

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by James Boswel » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:11:34

I do believe they fixed that in the Rev 4 boards?

(not that It matters all that much to me, my K7S5A has a 1700+ on it)

-JB

ikste

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by ikste » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:41:47


<snip>

You are correct - and it wasn't a problem on the
early revision boards either.  Also - it wasn't
a problem when running SDR, only DDR on fast Tbirds.

Still I thought it worth mentioning as nothing sucks
worse than buying a new mobo and finding all your
files corrupted after a couple of days use.  I even
rang my ISP to ask if they were doing weird stuff on
the network because I couldn't get a clean download.

iksteh

Daniel Crichto

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by Daniel Crichto » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:45:46




> > > Just an FYI -

> > > The K7S5A will not work stably with non-XP CPUs.
> <snip>

> > I do believe they fixed that in the Rev 4 boards?

> > (not that It matters all that much to me, my K7S5A has a 1700+ on it)

> You are correct - and it wasn't a problem on the
> early revision boards either.  Also - it wasn't
> a problem when running SDR, only DDR on fast Tbirds.

> Still I thought it worth mentioning as nothing sucks
> worse than buying a new mobo and finding all your
> files corrupted after a couple of days use.  I even
> rang my ISP to ask if they were doing weird stuff on
> the network because I couldn't get a clean download.

Weird, a friend of mine has a K7S5A (not sure of the revision) with 512MB
DDR and a Thunderbird 1.4GHz CPU, and has had no problems at all. He uses it
for video editing and as a network server + internet gateway using Windows
2000 Server, so it's on pretty much all the time and is usually processing a
lot of data. So far I think it's been up about 2 months continuously with no
files corrupted.

Dan

ikste

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by ikste » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:06:13


Yeah - I should correct myself...(now that I
went back and read it all again)

The problem existed on rev 4/6 motherboards
and not on 0,1,2 or 3.  There is a lot of
information about it at the URL below and yes
it is a "some boards do it and some don't" kind
of problem.  Apparently it first showed up as
an inability to burn cds properly.

http://pub65.ezboard.com/fk7s5amotherboardforumfrm10.showMessage?topi...

Reducing the resistance seems to solve the problem
in most boards.

iksteh

ZOD

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by ZOD » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:46:45

It's truly comical that Boswell notices the SSE speed differences between
AMD CPU's yet totally ignores what SSE2 and a P4 do to AMD CPU's....hehe

Jeffrey Kar

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by Jeffrey Kar » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:56:58

Forget about games. What about Photoshop, etc.

http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/palomino/




> > > Yet it still makes as much sense as the AMD-AMD rating, as a 1600XP is
> not
> > > 200mhz faster in reald world applications than a 1.4 Tbird, why cant you
> > > just admit that?

> > When averaging performance out, you have to include _all_ code.. this
> includes
> > things that use SSE, which will be a HELL of a lot faster on a
> Pally/Tbred,
> > and those will push up the average.. helloooooo

> Yup and as I'm getting tired of saying and you not accepting... The 1600XP
> is not on average 10% faster, it's between 2% & 5% faster depending on
> application which on average says about 3.5% faster.

> > "on average the Palomino is 10% faster than Tbird" does NOT mean "The
> Palomino
> > is always 10% faster than Tbird"

> Show me a site anywhere that claims that the Palimino is on average 10%
> faster!

> > > The Tbird doesnt run SSE code as I'm sure your aware, but that still
> doesnt
> > > change the fact that in games that the 1500XP is slower

> > Unless of course the game is SSE optimised...... (or data prefetch
> friendly)

> Perhaps you would be kind enough to name those games where SSE optimizations
> & the prefetch let the Palomino "scream out ahead" of the Tbird!

> > yes, instances exist of the Pally being slower than a Tbird, instances
> also
> > exist of it screaming out ahead... the 10% figure I quoted was a rough
> > average......

> Yes and there are even more instances where it is no more than 2% faster &
> you still havent explained why a 1500Xp is slower than a 1.4tbird, or are
> you just hoping I will forget that AMD's naming convention doesnt seem to
> tally.

> Oh yes & I can *sigh* as well, *sigh*

James Boswel

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by James Boswel » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:07:43

1) there's more SSE code out there right now than SSE2 code
1a) The Clawhammer will have SSE2 code BTW :)
2) we were talking about the Palomino compared to the Thunderbird (eg, the P4
is totally irrelevent to the discussion)
3) I made a post earlier today in which I stated that the P4 wins if SSE2 code
is used, but the Athlon beats it senseless for pure x87 code

Thankyou and goodday (ya damn troll)

-JB

ZOD

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by ZOD » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:31:20

Yada yada yada....hehe

James Boswel

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by James Boswel » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:06:45

Isn't that what you said in the previous post?

-JB

ZOD

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by ZOD » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:57:39

Still would be more substance than what you post.....hehe

James Boswel

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by James Boswel » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:43:36

Now that's just an outright falsehood, and you know it.

-JB

ZOD

VIA buys AMD, Nvidia buys Transmeta => good god !!

by ZOD » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:25:44

Yeah..ok...hehe


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