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CPR: what breaks the full game?

Barton Spencer Brow

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Barton Spencer Brow » Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:00:00



> > I would assume that it must be the perfect Simulator since it has had 8
> > patches so far!

>    Yeah, but it was 100 times more finished than CPR without any.

In fact, it's still 100 times more finished than CPR with two, and quite
likely always will be.

Anybody care to wager that there will EVER be another patch to CPR, or
even a (pay twice, get one sim) version 2? I'll be truly shocked and
amazed if we ever hear another official peep from Microsoft about CPR.

Bart Brown

Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> OK - I've decided.  All the shit I posted was real stupid on my part.
> I apologize to the news group.

> BF

   Now this I MUST have posted in my sleep. And on someone elses
computer considering the email address. To whoever posted this all I can
say to you is what you say about yourself is entirely true and well
demonstrated by the fact you forgot to change your email address. I have
recorded your email address and if you attempt to do this again be
assured a complaint to your ISP will follow promptly!
Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> Randy, Stuff about how much better ICR2 has be implied since CPR first came
> out.  I dont agree that ICR2 is any better. I agree that the travel feels to
> little but maybe we have all gotten use to to much travel in previous Sims?
> I will see the diff when I get F1RS next week but I think Ubi has been
> around here and all the complaining might have something to do with them
> releasing 8 patches befere releasing it in the States?

   GP2 has the best braking model I know of so far. I would think the
optimum way to sim brakes would be for the brakes to lock up just before
full travel when the car has max downforce (unless it was the case that
even real F1/CART drivers cannot even lock the brakes under such
circumstances - dunno?) and at about 1/3 travel with min downforce ie
very slow speeds. It seems this is pretty much what GP2 does.
Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> Well CPR is a MS game played in a MS zone why should they make it work with
> other browsers first?

   Why not at the same time? Are they hopeless or are they scum?
Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> I would assume that it must be the perfect Simulator since it has had 8
> patches so far!

   Yeah, but it was 100 times more finished than CPR without any.
Ronald Stoe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Ronald Stoe » Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:00:00




> > > Well CPR is a MS game played in a MS zone why should they make it work
> with
> > > other browsers first?

> >    Why not at the same time? Are they hopeless or are they scum?

> Why does HBO not make their movies available on free cable? Are they
> hopeless or scum?

To compare a privatly owned cable network to the Internet is so brain
dead,
do you really want an answer? MS is trying to achive domination, just so
I
don't use the word monopoly.

If MS wants to operate in the Internet, they should live with
competition
and grant us the possibility to choose the tools used for accessing
it...

l8er
ronny

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Barton Spencer Brow

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Barton Spencer Brow » Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:00:00

From an interview with CMP's "Net Insider":

Is Microsoft sorry?

Bob Herbold, Microsoft' chief operating officer, says the company is
trying to learn from the aggressiveness that has made it not only a
success, but a vilified target. "Yeah, at times we say things we
probably wish we hadn't said," Herbold admits. "We are working at that,
to try to be a bit more aware of the implications of those things. They
are not in the best interests of our users, or us, or the third party."

Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> hehehe   I noticed the e-mail address was diffrent too. I knew you wouldnt
> actually apologize to this NG. You have to admit tho, its  pretty funny

   Yes, I did think it was pretty funny. But probably for a different
reason than you.
Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00




> > > Well CPR is a MS game played in a MS zone why should they make it work
> with
> > > other browsers first?

> >    Why not at the same time? Are they hopeless or are they scum?

> Why does HBO not make their movies available on free cable? Are they
> hopeless or scum?
> Why didn't the VCR guys make it to run VHS, Beta Max & PAL? Are they
> hopeless or scum?
> Why didn't all game developers make their games for both D3D & 3Dfx? Are
> they hopeless or scum?
> Why? Ever hear of free enterprise? You have an idea? You want to sell it?
> But the best part is this
> IT WAS ALWAYS FREE SEE? I.E 4.0 was never required as I never had it. I.E
> 3.02 is free smaller
> in size and better than NS IMO. So? I have both no problem right? But this
> is really not about any
> of the things your complaining about right? Its just some folks will always
> see something as half empty
> instead of half full. Even if it is totally free for the taking. Are they
> hopeless? IMHO yes

    Ok Mike, I admit it. Your head is half full.
Mikes Design

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Mikes Design » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Same old stuff eh? Who compared HBO to the internet only you?
The thread "was" about a site not the net. So who is brain dead?
So I guess your saying NROS / Ten is doing the same then?
Think 1st flame later

Mike

Ronald Stoeh

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Ronald Stoeh » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00




> > To compare a privatly owned cable network to the Internet is so brain
> > dead,
> > do you really want an answer? MS is trying to achive domination, just so
> > I
> > don't use the word monopoly.

> > If MS wants to operate in the Internet, they should live with
> > competition
> > and grant us the possibility to choose the tools used for accessing
> > it...

> Same old stuff eh? Who compared HBO to the internet only you?
> The thread "was" about a site not the net. So who is brain dead?
> So I guess your saying NROS / Ten is doing the same then?
> Think 1st flame later

Did you read my last sentence? They should let the user decide which
tools
to use for access!

Support monopoly, flame later... ;^)

l8er
ronny

--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

Pat Dotso

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Pat Dotso » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> hmm I have heard that NROS has a lot of competitors on it.  I never realy
> got into Nascar. Just wish there was something as big as that for open wheel
> cars.

There are about 4000 people who have been on NROS - or so I've heard.
On
any given night, there are about 500 people online. Lots of competition!

I wish there was something available that was more road course oriented,
but good road course sim drivers are few and far between.  It's tough
to get a good field of drivers at Sears Point.  Maybe GPL will be
added to TEN? :)

I don't remember any big problems with the original N2 AI.  Racing off
line
was and is OK _and_ it had yellow flags.  The new AI enhancements from
Nim and
others are just improvements to an already functional product.

Maybe because the AI doesn't work?  You claim that worthless AI is
irrelevant because online racing is available.  It's only available
if the browser MS wants you to use is installed.  Is it too much
to ask to be able to practice racing off line?

I can't say I blame MS for trying to leverage their strength to make
people use IE, but the way they are doing it is definitely coercive.

--
Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports

Jim Sokolof

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Jim Sokolof » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00


So, we can now expect them to be a bit more careful about what they
*say*. What they do will likely not change much at all, eh?

--Jim

Barton Spencer Brow

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> So, we can now expect them to be a bit more careful about what they
> *say*. What they do will likely not change much at all, eh?

> --Jim

They're hewing to a pretty steady line of stonewalling so far! In fact,
"stonewalling" is a bit TOO generous, as it implies *some* sort of
response...

The entire interview with Herbold is an absolute hoot -- the questioner
wasn't exactly gentle...

Bart

Byron Forbe

CPR: what breaks the full game?

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 01 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> > hmm I have heard that NROS has a lot of competitors on it.  I never realy
> > got into Nascar. Just wish there was something as big as that for open wheel
> > cars.

> There are about 4000 people who have been on NROS - or so I've heard.
> On
> any given night, there are about 500 people online. Lots of competition!

> I wish there was something available that was more road course oriented,
> but good road course sim drivers are few and far between.  It's tough
> to get a good field of drivers at Sears Point.  Maybe GPL will be
> added to TEN? :)

> > but I rem when N2 came out, all you guys did was complain how bad the AI
> > was.  Wasnt there some people out there that fixed the AI? I dont remember
> > Papyrus doing it for you!

> I don't remember any big problems with the original N2 AI.  Racing off
> line
> was and is OK _and_ it had yellow flags.  The new AI enhancements from
> Nim and
> others are just improvements to an already functional product.

> > Well CPR is a MS game played in a MS zone why should they make it work with
> > other browsers first?

> Maybe because the AI doesn't work?  You claim that worthless AI is
> irrelevant because online racing is available.  It's only available
> if the browser MS wants you to use is installed.  Is it too much
> to ask to be able to practice racing off line?

> I can't say I blame MS for trying to leverage their strength to make
> people use IE, but the way they are doing it is definitely coercive.

   I can't say I'd blame someone for puting a bullet in the head of all
those involved with the waist of time CPR is!

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