The brakes shouldn't lock up when you're at high speed. Too much downforce.
So, yes, this would probably make many people happy.
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Kevin
(Remove the "x-" prefix from my address in order to reply via email)
> Yeah I think sticking to trains would probably be best for a person like you
> anyway. However I dont think there is a model train newsgroup for you to
> flame on so your life should be easier. If you do find yourself a model
> train newsgroup just remember to actually play with your train set before
> you actually flame it. You might be taken seriously.
PS - Scott, I think we could all live without the garbage tacked
onto the end of your last dribble.
PS #2 - can anyone reccomend a good train set, preferably one with
round wheels and a tendancy to stay on the tracks? Thanks in advance :)
> > Look out Randy! George is one of the people who advised MS as to what
> >they should do to fix CPR ie traction, heheheheheh. Looks like they paid
> >him for that and to do a little CPR defending on various forums!
> I've raced George on the Zone and he's a fine driver in CPR. I'm glad
> he's doing so well with CPR. However, his experience is not the same
> as most other people. I've found that I can get used to the problems
> with CPR and drive it reasonably well, but it wrecks my ability to
> drive any other sim, because of the poor brake pedal travel and
> massive high speed oversteer.
> Randy
Perhaps he's just a CART fan, like me, and figures he's just going to
make do with whatever comes out. I dunno...ask him.
Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com
> The tiltle says it all. Byron, everyone knows CPR has huge short comings.
> Get a life dude! You dont own the game, I doubt you even played the demo.
> You are a flaming idiot on the newsgroup. Do you have anything enlighting to
> say about this game and the people who enjoy it? Or are you just a flaming
> idiot? All I see in your posts are the same old things that have been run
> over and over again about CPR and how bad it sux. Who cares anymore that CPR
> sucks? Who cares if you think people who play CPR are fools? You arent
> shedding any light on anything that hasnt been dicussed here before. From
> all the posts I see on this NG from you is a bunch of negative posts about a
> game that is clearly below par. Your existance must be hell
"Although on the shelves in your local software shop, this title is
not complete and so there is no review at this point in time"
PS - thanks for the extra opportunity to put CPR down :))))
Mmmm, all I can see here is the same lack of tolerance of other's
opinions that you are levelling at Byron - and expressed infinitely
less eloquently as well.
Frankly speaking I think CPR is a few patches short of a product, but
all that has been done to death around here and is best left to fester
quietly. However........ if someone comes along and asks for an
opinion, or a fan of CPR expresses a fondness for the game, surely it
is entirely understandable that someone posts also a fully justifiable
contrary view? Surely you're not advocating that someone should have
to make a buying decision without knowing the full picture?
If someone feels the need to say CPR is good, I feel the need to point
out that CPR is also known for being very poor. I wasted a lot of time
on CPR, and I'd hate to see someone else do the same.
Cheers!
John
Thats pretty original. Yes CPR sucks. That is the truth. Who
doesnt know that by now? Since you are doing everyone a service why dont
you focus your anger towards CPR and MS on something constructive like
saying what games are worth the money. It gets a little old saying the
same boring thing about CPR over and over for months doesnt it? Keep on
flaming Byron you do it well
Less eloquent huh? Well I have never been so insulted in all my life. : ) I am
just a corn fed whiteboy from the USA so please excuse me. All I am saying is
Byron adds nothing to this NG but negative posts and re-hashes the same points
over and over it borders on MS bashing ....What a bore
P.S. He has even started to bash MTM2. (Another MS product) Has it been
released out of beta yet? ummmmm NO!! It is not a sim like CPR claimed it would
be but believe me the beta has far less problems then CPR has to this day.
Perhaps I was a nats harsh - more insulting I should have said, but
the two generally amount to much the same thing :-)
Well, it could be argued that people continually bringing up the good
points of CPR at nothing to the newsgroup, since it inevitably
requires someone to point out that theirs is not entirely an
unchalleneged position - live and let live.
MTM2 looks rather cool, and if it improves on the original (which I
heartily recommend and enjoyed very much) then I will be more than
happy. If only CPR's AI had been as talented as those Monster Truckers
eh!? :-)
Cheers!
John
>I don't think the effects of trail braking are modeled in CPR. The car
>doesn't seem to turn in when trail braking or lifting the throttle.
Several
>others have commented on this also.
I never said the brakes were perfect. I agree that they need to be fixed and
I have said this from the start. But until they are I CAN ADJUST!
I'll tell
>> > Look out Randy! George is one of the people who advised MS as to what
>> >they should do to fix CPR ie traction, heheheheheh. Looks like they paid
>> >him for that and to do a little CPR defending on various forums!
>> I've raced George on the Zone and he's a fine driver in CPR. I'm glad
>> he's doing so well with CPR. However, his experience is not the same
>> as most other people. I've found that I can get used to the problems
>> with CPR and drive it reasonably well, but it wrecks my ability to
>> drive any other sim, because of the poor brake pedal travel and
>> massive high speed oversteer.
>> Randy
> Ditto. George is a great driver who's dominated with ICR2 and is
>sick of it. He desperately wants/wanted CPR to be its replacement. I
>just don't understand why he and others are so defensive about CPR
>though.
And yes Byron I do want CPR to be the replacement for ICR2 as my phone bill
is so much lower now not having to make long distance phone calls to have
human competition.
Now as for me defending CPR, I am not defending CPR as much as you bash it,
I have and still feel there is things that need to be fixed and am hopefull
that they all are. I just dont think you should be posting stuff about a
product that you havent even tried!
Please Byron, Go out and buy CPR and then try it with some current setups
avail and before the 30 days are up you can get your money back. Then you
can post your experiences that you have had good or bad.
You know Byron, I can really imagine simulator manufactures coming here just
to see what you, the expert says so they know what to fix. hehehe I bet
they all have filtered you out of the newsgroup
Dont you think that Microsoft can fix this and is capable of making CPR one
of the best Sims avail? Well lets give them until after there vacation from
MTM2 and see what happens!
Wait, before you reply about the above sentence, let me recap for you. First
you *** cause they release it to fast. then you *** cause they dont
patch it fast enough. then you *** cause the patch didnt fix all the
things that you think they should fix. Now you *** cause they are taking a
break after MTM2 before deciding what to do for CPR.
I know for a fact that you want CPR cause you told me that the other day
when we chatted for about an hour. There was a lot of things in the full
version you never experienced since you only tried the Demo. Remember your
comments when I told you about how the car would get real light as you
approched Thunder Valley. You were getting very e***d.
I think you also want CPR to replace ICR2 for you too, huh Byron? Be honest
now Byron. The Sims Gods are watching!
One last thing Byron, You keep mentioning the same fixes for CPR. Steering,
Braking and the AI over and over again, If you had ever really tried it you
would realize that there are other important thinks that need to be fixed
also:
Tire Temps so we can actually see whats happening with our setups.
Realistic Engine failures due to overreving and abusing the engine.
Brakes should fade after hard and long abuse.
There are quite a few others but I dont want to list them all cause you will
only include these in your future posts as if you knew about them from
experience.
One last thing:
I hope you have been practicing for our modem race in ICR2.
You know Byron, I think i'll give you a break. We can race at your home
track in Australia but we will use a full field using Realistic Damage. and
we can use a very strong AI strength and we can both start from the rear of
the pack, and we will then see if you can stay on the lead lap with me! You
just let me know when you are ready ok?
Later
George
> Thats pretty original. Yes CPR sucks. That is the truth. Who
> doesnt know that by now? Since you are doing everyone a service why dont
> you focus your anger towards CPR and MS on something constructive like
> saying what games are worth the money. It gets a little old saying the
> same boring thing about CPR over and over for months doesnt it? Keep on
> flaming Byron you do it well
> Less eloquent huh? Well I have never been so insulted in all my life. : ) I am
> just a corn fed whiteboy from the USA so please excuse me. All I am saying is
> Byron adds nothing to this NG but negative posts and re-hashes the same points
> over and over it borders on MS bashing ....What a bore
Some of you people take this way too seriously. I made one or two
references to MTM2 after it was reveiled CPR had been shafted in favour
of getting MTM2 on the shelves. Big deal. I don't give a hoot about MTM2
- not my cuppa tea.
Their loss.
Obviously they can! The question is will they and when!
Well, seems I and others have been doing a lot of ?"***ing"? As
your above paragraph points out, so we should be *"complaining"*.
Thunder Valley? Very e***d, hehehehehe? Luckily, I must have
forgotten this.
Of course I do/did. That's exactly what I'm so pissed off about!
Gee, thanks George. Your strongest track and one I have never even
raced on - not even for fun (shame on me). I think I'll forfiet. You
win! Next! Actually, I would think Vancouver would be very interesting
since you so generously (though accidently, hehehehe) gave me your then
world record setup there. I think Australia would be a waist of your
money unless you'd like to wait till after I run it at IEC, Oct 18 or
CCCC, Oct 25. LOL. Unfortunately I fear lag is gunna be a shocka,
especially with a big field. Just us 2 on the track would be fun I
reckon!
% Bullshit. Anyway, it seems MS needs a little bashing. The corn fed
% whiteboy? Govt of the U.S.A. thinks so too. To get to the Zone one needs
% IE4 so that they can waist their time trying to get CPR happening and so
% IE4 can take over, and in many cases, stuff up peoples systems.
I read that MS should make the Zone usuable with other browsers, but the
release date I heard of this switch was next spring. I think this is in
reaction to the pressure MS has been getting from the Justice
Department. I just find it odd that it will take a whole year to undo
this coupling of IE4 and The Zone. But, by then everyone will have made
the jump to Win98 which is an OS embedded even deeper into IE4 than the
Zone.
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Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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