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Im too afraid to even think about them. But if they arent able to optimize the code better I
think it would need atleast a pentium or DX4 to run it even in VGA. I certainly hope that the
performance of the game in earlier demos will be improved to the finished game.

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BUT!!...........I've heard many things about why it isn't out yet and the
one that keeps popping up is that it can't run on anything less than a P90
because the frame rate is only at about 15 on a P75 with 125% processor
occupancy.

I feel that Crammond is resisting SH-M's (Spectrum Holobyte-Microprose)
urging to tone the game down and release it now because he wants it
perfect.  Considering how good the first one was with the hardware he had
to work with, I feel that it is worth the wait.  Besides, is anybody
really sick of playing the best and most classic racing sim of all
time--F1GP--yet??

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Yep I am sick of playing it.  As soon as Nascar came out, it took over
as being the best sim and this is what I spend my racing time on.  

Indycar made is obsolete ? never. Original F1GP is much better than indycar.
Maybe not graphically, but the feel of driving is great in F1GP.
Nascar looks great in SVGA and driving ain't bad either, but the tracks suck.
It's really boring to drive those circles with absolutely no gear changes
needed...

Haven't seen ICR2 yet, but after seeing GP2 movie, I'm sure that NO WAY any
other racing game is going to top it

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Until then, keep weeping over ICR(2) and Nas. ( I really feel sorry for
ya )

Iv.

I also d/l the movie and was impressed enough i'll probably buy
the sim despite the many delays, but as far as blowing away
icr2 and Nascar....get real.  I'd say it all depends on what type
of racing you enjoy the most.

SD

: Until then, keep weeping over ICR(2) and Nas. ( I really feel sorry for
: ya )

: Iv.

  Man, do you know what the words "physics model" mean?????   SH doesn't!!!!

  Papyrus doesn't make a F1 sim only because they don't wanna make MP
look like babies!

Have a good day.

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   Are'nt we tired of this argument?

Yeah? You know it's wierd, the number of times I've been in my car and when someone drives toward
me the car kinda....rotates on the spot you know. Or whenever I cross a line in the road the car
swerves left and back, very wierd.....

When GP2 is released, I'll watch the newsgroup carefully waiting for you to prove your a grown up
really by eating those ill chosen words. ICR2 is good, no doubt about that. GP2 has the
triple advantage of coming out later, being written by Geoff "sim-god" Crammond and of course
being based upon the greatest racing championship in the world.

When it's finally released you shouldn't be allowed to buy it - you just get tied to a chair and
watch the ICR2 die-hards flocking to buy it.... :)

Cheers!
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For a start (and thats for you, kadlcak), F1GP was released in 1991
for the Amiga, so we might conclude that work on it began at the most
in 1990. I think that for that time it was a pretty revolutionary game
with the best "physics model" seen til then.

So, MP began the revolution, and if you are comparing the first real
game of simulation with a new game done 5 or more years later, you are
being a unfair. Nevertheless, I think that I prefer (my opinion!)
10.000 times the babys "physical model" of F1GP than the of ICR (I
heard ICR2s is more or less the same), and if you have played with a
Joystick or a wheel youll see it improves a lot. And if you turn off
all the helps (steering and traction) in it youll see that youll
have a more undriveble car, the one you wished for.

In the other hand, if youre saying that the GP2 "physical model" is
for babies let me advise you that you shoud talk to Geoff and tell him
that youre not happy with the game development and want out because
youre going off to Papyrus. Yes, I supose you are a member of Geoffs
team of course, how would you know about the GP2 "physical model" then
?

Let me tell you guys_that_say_ICR2_is_better_than_GP2 that GP2 is a
superb effort made by Geoff Crammond and his team (and Im sure ICR2
is too!) and the reason it is so late is because they are concerned
about releasing a high quality product and not a "beauty cleaned"
version of its predecessor.

In conclusion, I think the smartest move you could make is to SHUT UP
because GP2 does not exist yet and you are making a fool of yourselfs.
After GP2 is released then we can compare the two games, and the
discussion will be far more inteligent.

FINAL OBSERVATION: I think ICR (and ICR2 which I have not played yet)
and F1GP are very good sims, I am not saying one is better than the
other, that depends on the persons likes. But what I cannot stand is
guys that are so much brain washed that say "my game is better than
yours" when the yours doesnt exist yet. "Get real" yourself!

Miguel

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Again only non-americans think F1 is the greatest racing championship
in the world.  IMO F1 is boring. You want true racing, you watch
NASCAR Winston Cup Racing, this is one of the closest racing you can
watch.  F1 means every one (F)inishes (1)lap ahead of the other!!<G>

There is one true statement you can say about F1GP2 and that is it
will be the best F1 sim on the market.  Now the best racing sim, that
is something we will have to wait for, and it will also depend on the
person.

Cheers!