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What would be better

Tom Pabs

What would be better

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:28:26

Eldred...

Which Skip Barber school?  What track?

You are way ahead of most people....never get into the***pit of a real
race car.  And trust me, you don't want to try passing or "racing" until you
had a few hundred more hours in that race car....or any race car!

TP

Eldre

What would be better

by Eldre » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:52:06



>Eldred...

>Which Skip Barber school?  What track?

>You are way ahead of most people....never get into the***pit of a real
>race car.  And trust me, you don't want to try passing or "racing" until you
>had a few hundred more hours in that race car....or any race car!

3-day racing school at Laguna Seca in June, 2000.  I put 'race' car in quotes
because I realize it's nowhere near a real race car.  But, I still learned a
few things (or at least gained some insight) by being on the track that I
wouldn't have known otherwise.

I couldn't *afford* a few hundred hours in a race car before I tried a real
race.  Yeah, I know I'd have to go through a couple of 'advanced activities'
before I could enter a Barber Dodge race.  But I'm sure that's nowhere NEAR a
hundred hours of track time.

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Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:15:44

Andrew

    As long as some of Tom's posts are, snipping is almost a requirement.
The whole post is really really irrelavent.(sp?)  
A quick snip with the focus of the reply is all that is needed.  Sometimes
when I'm *** out a ton of messages, I'll leave the whole thing.,,and
I use dots a-lot too... :)  But a long message followed by a short
reply is also inconvienant.  AND, if I may point out,  I don't recall
there being a sherrif around to force me to post in any paticular way.
 If my point is understood by some or all of the readers, then format be
damned.  
     As long as the original post is available in a thread, then quoting,
 especially quoting large chunks of a post is redundant.   One might also
say that jumping into a thread mid-stream WITHOUT reading the first posts
is also rude...but then, I am also guilty of that offense as well.
    Tom just spent a goodly amount of time sharing some real world/sim world
experience and all we can do is***and moan about the structure of a reply?
You might as well google back through all my posts and begin critiqueing them.
Of course such a task will take you till next year.  :)

dave henrie  

Tom Pabs

What would be better

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:35:25

Dave.....you are so funny!  But...also almost always right.

TP

Tom Pabs

What would be better

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:39:57

It was a figure of speech.....probably not appropriately used.

The SB cars are just as much race cars as any other.  And, if you had been
"released" to hot lap, you'd have found them to be pretty fast.  The class
you took had them de-throttled a lot....they don't tell you that.

If you are ever up for another racing school, take the Russell School at
Infineon.....its a light-year's better racing experience for the buck.

TP

Andre

What would be better

by Andre » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 16:35:40

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:33:09 GMT, "Tom Pabst"

incompetance by uttering to himself:

In a thread containing dozens of posts, what and who are you
disagreeing with?
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What would be better

by Eldre » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:38:17



>     As long as the original post is available in a thread, then quoting,
> especially quoting large chunks of a post is redundant.

But, some newsreaders don't keep previous posts.  Other people delete posts as
soon as they're read to save space.  So it you give a one-sentence reply to
something posted 2 days ago, but don't quote anything, chances are that many
people won't know what the hell you're talking about.
Some news servers also occasionally post a reply before they post the original
question.  That makes quoting helpful as well...

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by McWho » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:46:21




>>     As long as the original post is available in a thread, then
>> quoting, especially quoting large chunks of a post is redundant.

> But, some newsreaders don't keep previous posts.  Other people delete
> posts as soon as they're read to save space.  So it you give a
> one-sentence reply to something posted 2 days ago, but don't quote
> anything, chances are that many people won't know what the hell
> you're talking about.
> Some news servers also occasionally post a reply before they post the
> original question.  That makes quoting helpful as well...

> Eldred

Happy New Year all!

   Now as far as this snipping/top posting/middle of the thread thing goes.
I am all for courtesy and practice it often myself.  Trying to be sure all
the little lemmings properly post in a group is just a *little* bit ***in
my opinion, something to be saved for the constant abuser that just never
makes any sense to anyone.  really all this *correctness* in posting came
about in the world of 14.4k dial ups, 8mb RAM, and small or non-existant
HD's.  If someone wants to delete posts in a thread they are following or
does not filter by date/time, well, I guess they know what they are doing
but I feel no obligation to make sure my posts fit into their proper
structure.  Really, I use OE for NG's only and it gets very bloated.  Every
once in a while I will purge the program as it is very easy to do and curse
over partial threads for a couple of weeks then all is right with the world.

Just my thoughts on the matter.......
Still thinking about wieghing in on the threads actual subject matter, very
interesting stuff here.

Sean

Tom Pabs

What would be better

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 04:32:05

It would be the one that is (1) string-level up from my post, as this is a
response to yours.

TP

Tom Pabs

What would be better

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 04:37:21

I couldn't agree with you more, Sean.  Some people act like those of us with
normal (modern) computers are supposed to handicap ourselves by making sure
the "P1-200 community" doesn't have to actually do any extra work so they
can still participate in the Internet.  Foolish......IMHO.

I think its a pain in the ass to have to scroll through the top-level string
text....again and again and again, just to read replies.  So, I choose to
"not include original text" in replies.  And, that makes me the bad guy?
LOL.....

Take care,

Tom

Mario Petrinovic

What would be better

by Mario Petrinovic » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 05:25:34

Tom Pabst :

        Tom, you know that I appreciate your posts very much. So, I don't
care how they are posted, if I don't know on what you are refering, I'll do
an effort and find out. But, I noticed that you possibly are not aware of
where the problem is. Most people don't use newsreader the way you are using
it. For example, I am setting my newsreader to not show me read messages.
IOW, once I've read top post I'll never see it again in my newsreader. So, I
simply cannot find out on what you are refering, without some hustle. This
is why most of the people are putting the part of original post, on which
they are refering, included in their answer. A lot of people are following
more newsgroups, and they simply cannot remember anymore what was top post
about, and they have set their newsreader in the way I explained so that
they see only unread messages. It is much easier to follow newsgroups that
way.
        Once again, I don't care how you post, do whatever you like. But, if
you ask yourself why somebody is making big problem of this, this is the
answer.

        Take care
        Mario

Eldre

What would be better

by Eldre » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:04:23



>It would be the one that is (1) string-level up from my post, as this is a
>response to yours.

My newsreader doesn't list messages like that, so I still don't know who or
what you were responding to...

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by Eldre » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:04:23



>I couldn't agree with you more, Sean.  Some people act like those of us with
>normal (modern) computers are supposed to handicap ourselves by making sure
>the "P1-200 community" doesn't have to actually do any extra work so they
>can still participate in the Internet.  Foolish......IMHO.

>I think its a pain in the ass to have to scroll through the top-level string
>text....again and again and again, just to read replies.  So, I choose to
>"not include original text" in replies.  And, that makes me the bad guy?
>LOL.....

I never said you were the bad guy.  I only explained why some people would
prefer that you at least give some semblance of what you're replying to.  But
some people seem to take an 'elitist' attitude about it, and make snide
comments.  I don't think that's called for.

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Andre

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by Andre » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:29


I think he deserves all he gets. He was the one who started preaching
about posting style when he hasn't got a clue himself.
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by Eldre » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:18:18



>I think he deserves all he gets. He was the one who started preaching
>about posting style when he hasn't got a clue himself.

I was talking about his and Sean's comments towards those of us on the other
side.

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