rec.autos.simulators

Would it be better to go backwards from a GeForce 4 to a Matrox multi
monitor GFX card... or should i look into these glasses you wear....

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Andi.

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Drive from a different view.  These games that take up 3/4 of the screen
with a pretty picture of a***pit are just plain silly.

  And driving from a kite*** above the car is NOT silly?
Or*** off the nose like a license plate?   These are not
silly?
    Sorry lad you are talking to a confirmed***pit NAZI.
I simulate a very bad driver not some hanglider.  You can
give every reason known to man and all you'll get from me
is you should be where you belong.  In the***pit.
dave henrie

-Larry

Sorry but having 1/3 of the visibility of a real race car is just not
realistic.  I hate kite flyers too but it's one of those situations where
common sense and compromise has to prevail.

There's just about a zillion places on real-world race track, in real-world
race cars, where the driver can not see the track surface in front of him.

Example:  Turn 3a at Infineon Raceway (Sears Point Raceway).....you lose
sight of the track surface just as you end your braking and turn in...to the
apex.....over the turn and all the way to the track out exit.....during that
entire time all you see is grandstand and sky!  That's about 3 seconds in
time.....no track!

You also can't see the track surface at the entrance of the carousel turn
(at Infineon), or under the footbridge on the next-to-last turn at Road
Atlanta, or heading into the last turn at Lime Rock, or in several places at
Mosport, or going up through the esses at Watkins Glen......need I go on?

Since when did seeing the track surface become a pre-requisite for a racing
driver.  How many times do you think a rally driver loses eye contact with
the track surface?

LOL....are you guys kidding me or something?

If you want to "play games"....drive from anywhere you want (just don't race
against me).  If you want enjoy your racing sim as a "racing
simulation"....better listen to Mr. Dave Henry....drive from the***pit
like the rest of the world must do.

Regards,

Tom

PS:  I can't believe this argument still goes on in here.....what, is this
something like five years now I have read this BS
about....."whine....whine...I can't see the track....whine, whine....I must
drive from the F-10 view, whine, whine, whine......."  Huh?
Geeeesh....kiddies!

"Well boys.....

Since they let me test that new NASCAR escape hatch last year, I've had my
crew raise my seat up just a little bit in my Cup car!  Works really good
for seeing the track better.  The fact that my head now sticks out of the
roof about 18 inches is really not a problem.....we fixed the aerodynamic
drag that created in the wind tunnel this winter!  I do burn through a few
more tear-offs on my helmet now, though.  And dam....if I hit another bird
like I did last year at Daytona....that's going to really smart my nose a
ton!  My brother Darryl says I looks really cool now.....but maybe I should
put some flames on my helmet since everyone can see it so much better now.
But I don't want it to conflict with the paint job on my Aarons Dream
Machine....you know?"

LOL.....can't wait to hear this interview!  No...can't wait to hear the
other driver's inteviews afterwards!

TP

Thing is, if you stick a camera and microphone in front of his face and
offer him a chance to mention his sponsors, Michael would probably be game
to recite that nugget verbatim. <g>

Jan.
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TP

    You've heard this from me before.

    I agree that the view I want is at driver's eye level.

    Give me a view similar to what I see out my windshield
and I'll be happy.  That would be best approximated by a
driver's eye view and the instruments sized and positioned
for each driver's preference, floating over a transparent
dash with the road visible behind the instruments.

    We don't have G forces for feedback, we don't get a
180 degree peripheral view, what's wrong with maximizing
our visual field to compensate?  Seeing more of the road
passing under the part of the display obscured by the
useless image of the dash, and the less than useless
image of two hands on a moving steering wheel, is great
feedback to give a sense of speed and feel for the road
sim drivers don't get.

    I can see two hands on a steering wheel, they are my
two hands and my old but sweet ECCI CDS2.  As in a real
car, I don't spend much time staring at the steering wheel,
I look over it.  I have no interest in a substantial part
of my display dedicated to an animation of that image.

    The business I'm about is getting around the track.  A
real car is designed to assist in that task.  Does having
most of the display of a sim dedicated to dash board and
top of the window frame simulate a such a vehicle?

    Bumper cam on F1C is too low and doesn't have mirrors.
I want a drivers eye level view and mirrors.  Do any road
race mods to F1C or NR2003 have what I want?

    Try driving a real car with the view you have in a
sim.  That would require masking off most of your
windshield.  And jail time for reckless driving.  : )

    How 'bout this for a compromise.  Mod developers,
please give each driver their preference.  Let Dave have
a display that includes the pedals complete with Nomex
booties, the headliner, and a little strip of race track
in the middle, give me the open view of the road I desire.
Then everyone is happy.

    I'm sure I won't get my wish.  So I'll *** the next
time I see this topic.  : )

                                                    Larry

     ditto!!!

:)
dave henrie

        I'll always drive from the***pit view. Saying that, I
never-the-less am ready to acknowle the problem. The problem is that we
should have 180 deg. field of view. Without that it is harder to judge the
distance. Especially since distant objects are so clearly visible on a
computer. With 180 deg. of view we would have much better 3 D sense of our
car and the track around it. You could have a pretty reasonamble sense with
78 deg., but you need to adjust to that. One day whem computers will be fast
enough, and monitors cheap enough (for being able to buy a 3 monitor set) we
will be able to enjoy this. Until then, I am happy that I can enjoy
1600x1200 resolution. Much better than 800x600. BTW, I cannot drive a car
from a birds view, and I really don't understand how somebody can. But, if
I'll have a choice, nobody who is racing with me won't race that way.
 -- Mario