rec.autos.simulators

Just another Nascar simmer looking for that pot of Gold at the end of the
rainbow.....
Keep your front window clean and your rear mirror full....

Hi Frank,

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When N4 came out I had a PIII500 with a V3 card, and even that system
was too slow to play N4. Well I could run it in 640 x 480 with most
details off, but in a Nascar game I want to drive with all 43 cars on
the road and even with gfx details at least set to medium.
So I upgraded to a PIII866 GFII GTS and now N4 runs very good, even
with 43 AI cars.
I can't say for sure if N4 is such a cpu killer because of it's
advanced physics or because of bad programming, but fact is  that if
you want to keep playing the latest games/sims, you will have to
upgrade your system quite often.
New hardware appears, programmers make use of the new hardware, you
have to buy the new hardware. Expect some runs-only-on-a-GFIII games
soon..

I can't remember them saying that, and I can't imagine they did.
You didn't really expect N4 to run properly on your PII did you?
If you did, well, that was a bit naive.. with all respect.

We allready had this discussion last week, but I don't think the
number of bugs was THAT big. The only real bug that annoyed me was the
bad AI, imho they should have waited with the release of N4 untill
they solved most of the AI problems like they did with the patch.
It's not as bad as for example F1RC which has totally unplayable AI
and a very bad multiplayer, and we're STILL waiting for a patch
(Bernie is playing F1RC with the patch right now and testing it, we
have to wait untill he thinks the patch is ok).

Again, too soon released games and patches are part of the ***
industry, accept it OR wait when a game is released, and read the
reviews and forums to see if it needs a patch, and don't buy it untill
a working patch is released.

That's ok ofcourse, but you're missing out on a beauty here, I played
N3 after I played N4 and N3 looks like such an outdated game now.. not
because of the graphics, but because of it's simplified physics model.

Is there even an online community for N3 now that most Nascar fans
upgraded to N4?

Interesting point. First of all the pull to the left is
setup-dependant, that could explain the discussions if real life
Nascar does or does not have the pull to the left.
But some of the beta testers are real life Nascar drivers, Dale Jr for
example, and I vaguely remember from an interview that Kaemmer also
drove a stockcar to see how the view from inside a stockcar is like.

To me, a total Nascar rookie, it seems logical that a Nascar pulls to
the left on a straight to that it turns better in the corner, when I
played N4 the first time the pulling immediately feeled natural.

Same goes for me :)

Andre

Vintook

And you feel that Papyrus owes you for what? They have an excellent return policy for unsatisfied customers. Not flaming you, just curious as to why you think Papy need to conform to your standards.

Mike Grandy

Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team

3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale

  Due to the fact that I cannot afford to purchase a new computer everytime
  some game maker sets new minimum standards. I presently own a PII 450mhz
  128MB 100mhz SDRAM, TNT 16MB video card, and an SB Live sound card. This
  system is less then 2 years old, but for everything I have in it, it works
  just fine...Not any framerate problems at least. My only complaint is that
  it seems that the *** industry is pushing the envelope to see how much
  more $MONEY$ they can get from US, the buyers? Example, 1.6 GB machines with
  64MB of video. US, the buyers, will continue to purchase the new games, but
  will we support the upgrading of the machines needed to play these games
  every month? Sure you will. Not me anymore. I cannot afford to.
  I have owned EVERY Papyrus racing sim, including N4( which I am totally
  pissed off with Papyrus for not giving the simmer what they said they would
  give us), first. A game that EVERYONE can play on there
  machine....WRONG...This game came out with more bugs then the total amount
  found in Florida in the summer time. All of these bugs..Yes I said bugs, for
  those of you to lame to realize that the wool has been pulled down over your
  eyes by Papyrus. They call it getting the game on the market as soon as
  possible with No regard to US, the buyers. How much longer will you follow
  that bone that the *** industry is holding in front of you??? I guess if
  you want to play THAT game then go right ahead. I for one will not. This
  patch is a joke.
  I am very happy with N3 and will continue to play this sim for as long as I
  can.
  Realism, in N4...Go to Daytona or for that matter any Nascar track that lets
  you operate a real Nascar car and take one for a spin. The first thing you
  will notice is that there is little (if any at all) pull to the left. And
  this is the realism of the whole thing....So those of you that keep spouting
  off about the "realism of pulling to the left..well..." it's just not true.
  I am a long time friend of Greg Biffle's Crew Chief, and in His own words
  after trying to race N4, "what is this pulling to the left all about? Yes
  there is some in a real Nascar car, but it is so minimal that the driver has
  to make little or no adjustments for it, at all."
  This just my .02 cents worth, nothing more.
  Please refrain from spamming me for what I believe.

  Just another Nascar simmer looking for that pot of Gold at the end of the
  rainbow.....
  Keep your front window clean and your rear mirror full....

It is not the *** industry that is doing it, actually it is no one that
is doing it.  It is the evolution of computers.  Someone comes out with a
card that all of a sudden has all of these better graphics.  Of course a
*** company is going to take advantage of those.  If they didn't we would
all still be playing games that looked like Pole Position.

Upgrading is part of computers... you either have to accept it or stay with
what you have and not worry about playing any of the new games.

I

I am glad that you still have a game that you an enjoy.  I actually still
enjoy N3 and I am in some N3 leagues as well as a N4 league.

true.

The pull is VERY setup dependant.  I have some setups where there is no pull
and I have others that have alot.  Go back and ask your friend if he could
make the car pull like that if he wanted to and he will tell you "yes".  He
will also tell you he can take the pull out if he wants.  Same thing with
N4.   Btw, Dale Earnhardt Jr and Kevin Harvick both Beta Tested for N4 and
they both said it was realistic.    Do you honestly think that both N4 and
NH would have the pull in there if it was not realistic?  Do you think that
is just some bug doing that in both games?

I bought the Abit mb a couple of years ago for about 110 bucks. Originally
equipped it with a Celeron 300a running at 450 mhz, about 90 bucks. Upgraded
to the GeForce2 MX card about 6 months ago, 120 bucks open box at Best Buy.
Retired my 300a and replaced it with a Celeron 566 running at 850 for about
90 bucks about 7-8 months ago. And fairly soon, when the price is right, I
will probably drop a P3 850 or better in it, and then get a new mb about a
year down the road.

Anyways, I know building your own system is not for everyone, and I would
have thought it would not have been for me, but after doing it I wouldn't
have it any other way.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.