"Being there" still falls a long way short of giving you any kind of
right to call anyone a "shitstain" for expressing their opinion,
particularly since you were supposedly fighting for their right to
express that opinion.
Cheers!
John
> I suggest that you check back on some of the public statements made by your
> (USA) public figures. Kennedy and Johnson come immediately to mind.
> You'll find that one of the reasons that the USA was defending the Free
> World by sending troops to Vietnam was to ensure Freedom of Speech.
> Maybe not yours....but certainly the South Vietnamese.
> > You should have been more careful with your wording then. The only
> > therapy we vets need is the respect that we are due for putting our
lives
> > on the line so that all of us can have the right to *** and moan about
> > a the quality of sims, the timeliness of updates, and how cool some of
> > these sims are. Whether the war that I fought in was justifiable or
not,
> > is not, the fact is that I participated and I get real pissed off when
> > someone that hasn't got a clue as to what we all went through comes out
> > and says shit like this.
> > >I know nothing about being a Vietnam Vet. From the sound of your
> > response,
> > >it appears that you were and that you may need therapy.
> > >Good luck to you.
> > >BTW, it was an attempt at humor and not an attack on vets.
> I personally know NOTHING of the horrors of WAR, but would NEVER joke
> about it. You have EVERY right to be disgusted with this persons
> disrespectful "humor" as he so calls it.
You'll find that one of the reasons that the USA was defending the Free
World by sending troops to Vietnam was to ensure Freedom of Speech.
Maybe not yours....but certainly the South Vietnamese.
> > Pardon me, but weren't those vet's fighting for freedom of speech?
> NO!---they were not fighting for freedom of speech----that was never in
> jeopardy or an issue of vietnam that we went to war over. When was the
> last time you heard "vietnam--the war for free speech". The US in fact
> was never in direct jeopardy, and I personally objected to it, but
> that's another story. It was a HUGE political war and nothing more, that
> cost many good men their lives, and countless others there souls. That
> war, NOT the men who fought in it, should be forgotten as quickly as
> possible in my opinion. But first we must learn from the terrible
> mistake that was made there. It left a bad taste in the mouth of the
> entire world.
> > In any case, I think people have infinitely more right to express an
> > opinion of vet's than refer to someone as a "little shit-stain".
> Personally I think they are both wrong John. Althugh they both have the
> legal right to do so, they need to ask themsleves if they have the m***
> right. Expressing an opinion about something you know nothing
> about(being a veteran of war), is NO better than insulting a person you
> know nothing about. They both(the replies, not the people) are poor
> excuses for human relations, and are the reason many wars are started in
> the first place. People just need to think a little more before they
> speak.....it would save a ton of trouble for the world.
> > Cheers!
> > John
Ben
> > > I do not understand how people can be Vets, fight in wars, but when
> > > it comes to the Internet and news groups they send threatening
> > > messages to people, refuse to give a real name and address, and stalk
> > > people around the Internet and news groups. What I find that's really
> > > cowardly is they chase and harass people that are sick and disabled,
> > > use phony identity, and send people threats telling them not to visit
> > > news groups and post messages. Come on out you cowards, show who you
> > > are! I will expose anyone that sends me E-mail that is harassment or
> > > abusive and/ or says lies about me, and cowers behind a phony name
> > > and/or address.
> > I can perfectly understand what many people choose to use aliases on
> > the internet. It actually makes a great deal of sense, especially when
> > they are regular users of Usenet.
> > You think they are cowards for using an alias? Why? Perhaps they're
> > just not comfortable about people knowing their name, in case somebody
> > they know were to read a message from then on Dejanews, for example?
> > How can we be sure that YOU aren't using an alias yourself? There's
> > little in the way to say that you're not, except for taking your word
> > on it. I believe that everybody is entitled to trust, unless they give
> > reason to prove otherwise.
> > Thomas Ford
> > "Please remove NOSPAM from e-mail address to reply"
> Interesting agruments. But about not wanting people to know to look what
you
> write, shouldn't you reconcider what you are writing. I bet that if people
you
> know gets offended by it, many other will too. Specially in serious
newsgroups.
> Well, right after i wrote this i found out it isn't that easy either. It's
like
> I hate when other people listen to me when i talk on the telephone. Not
that it
> is anything secret about what i am saying or anything like that, I just
hate
> it. But then again, this is a forum, not private email. It's kind of
discussing
> things on TV (no not ricki lake :) and not wanting people you know to see
it.
> Not very easy. "Hey mom, would you mind NOT watching tv tonight"
> --
> Olav K. Malmin (arguing with himself today)
> remove spam when replying
Whoa, that's a pretty *** consequence...<tic> unless on the last lap,
leading at Rouen, in which case <for real>
Ben
Joe McGinn
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Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***.com/
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Not to go too much into this unpleasant area of physiology, but if it _were_
truly ulcerative colitis or even Crohn's disease, it's usually not too
difficult to diagnose with colonoscopy. Irritable bowel syndrome, on the
other hand, might be faked a little more easily. Don't know which he claims
to have, if any of these.
> >I was there. Were you? Didn't think so...
> Given that my country was not involved in that particular debacle, and
> considering further that I was of a very tender age indeed I would
> think it unlikely. Not that it is germane to the discussion in any
> way.
I learned a long time ago it doesn't do any good to argue with nuts. Just
agree politely with them and they will go away.>>
...painted these vets with a VERY broad and unfair brush by implying that
they're often "nuts". I think that Simmons...who says that he was there and
who I have no reason to question...has a better idea than most of us if this
was true. Which it is not. This is an insult to these vets, but you seem
to think that they have more of a right to these insults than Mr. Simmons
does to be offended by them and reply in kind. While Mr. Simmon's choice of
words may be questioned, he and other vets like him have been criticized,
lampooned, and condemned for their service while those who fault them are
praised for exercising their freedom of speech. Yep, life isn't fair.
Really? Why does he have any less of a right to call anyone that name? If
that's his opinion, then so be it. And the same goes for Mark Abbot. Its
just amazing that you'll support the attacks on these vets but jump all over
the vet who is insulted and responds a little harsher than you think he
should. Now who's the one trying to limit speech?
Mr. Simmons, I thank you for your service.
> >I personally know NOTHING of the horrors of WAR, but would NEVER joke
> >about it. You have EVERY right to be disgusted with this persons
> >disrespectful "humor" as he so calls it.
> Except for the fact that he apologized for his remarks about two days
> ago. Old news.
> Joe McGinn
> ==========================================
> Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/***.com/
> ==========================================
Bring on the sigmoidoscope!!!
~daxe
>"Not germane?" I would disagree. What you've learned in your textbooks and
>in whatever lame Vietnam war movies you may have seen probably gives you far
>less basis to judge the character of Nam vets than Mr. Simmons.
Go back to the start of the thread. READ it. You will then understand
why it is not germane.
Was this before or after the vets started calling people "shitstain"?
Staistically I can guarantee you that more vets are nuts than people
are "shitstains".
No-one has any right to call anyone a shitstain for expressing an
opinion.
My opinion is that he shouldn't do it - why then is it that your "so
be it" attitude doesn't apply for my opinion also?
No-one. Had the retort been made in reasonable language I would never
have commented, as it was I'm not limiting anything, merely exercising
MY freedom of speech to opine that he's wrong.
Cheers!
John
It's never been put forward as a candidate for your "logic test" until
you invented it just now.
I've never been asked to serve my country, although I do have the
utmost respect for people like Ali who stand up for what THEY believe
in rather than what their "superiors" do. I could have the strategic
mind of Napoleon and the fighting ability of Rambo and Arnie rolled
into one and there's still nothing would have persuaded me to fight in
that "war".
Cheers!
John
