rec.autos.simulators

>  I just watched a Speedvision show on the Goodwood Festival of Speed
>from Jolly ol England.  It was taped during the summer and featured many
>many different cars, especially 60's & 70's Le Mans cars.  The 917, and
>962 looked awesome.  Some Can Am cars, and even Richard Burns Rally
>winning Subaru.  They all ran this one way course that took just under a
>minute for most of the cars to complete.  The fastest car was a year old
>McClaren Formula One with Nick Heidfield driving.  now my point:
>  Most of the old cars ran up the course fairly well behaved, looking
>quite smooth.  But the Mclaren was twitching and jumpy and in general
>looking more like a crash waiting to happen than a sophisticated world
>class racing car.  Now granted, the course was not of F1 caliber and
>the  Le Man cars probably never made it past 2nd gear, but the F1 racer
>was waaaay more twitchy than anything else shown during the program.
>Even Derek Bell sliding the Porche 962 into the hay bales looked genteel
>compared to the Mclaren run.
>  So...for everybody whose claimed GPL is too hard to drive because it
>models skinny tired wingless wonders, I have to ask...what would a
>modern F1 sim be like?  Shouldn't it too be extremely difficult to
>handle?  I'm not saying they won't turn-in or anything, but if that Mac
>was representative of current F1 roadhugging, then GP3 should be
>EXTREMELY difficult to drive even in a straight line.
>  And finally...with all this world class hardware on display, what were
>the British film crews going gaw-gaw over?  Behind Bell during an
>interview, a '70 Dodge Daytona R/T (the winged cars of Nascar
>Legends)was on display and the TV guy was slightly giddy standing next
>to it...
>dave henrie

>   I just watched a Speedvision show on the Goodwood Festival of Speed
> from Jolly ol England.  It was taped during the summer and featured many
> many different cars, especially 60's & 70's Le Mans cars.  The 917, and
> 962 looked awesome.  Some Can Am cars, and even Richard Burns Rally
> winning Subaru.  They all ran this one way course that took just under a
> minute for most of the cars to complete.  The fastest car was a year old
> McClaren Formula One with Nick Heidfield driving.  now my point:
>   Most of the old cars ran up the course fairly well behaved, looking
> quite smooth.  But the Mclaren was twitching and jumpy and in general
> looking more like a crash waiting to happen than a sophisticated world
> class racing car.  Now granted, the course was not of F1 caliber and
> the  Le Man cars probably never made it past 2nd gear, but the F1 racer
> was waaaay more twitchy than anything else shown during the program.
> Even Derek Bell sliding the Porche 962 into the hay bales looked genteel
> compared to the Mclaren run.
>   So...for everybody whose claimed GPL is too hard to drive because it
> models skinny tired wingless wonders, I have to ask...what would a
> modern F1 sim be like?  Shouldn't it too be extremely difficult to
> handle?  I'm not saying they won't turn-in or anything, but if that Mac
> was representative of current F1 roadhugging, then GP3 should be
> EXTREMELY difficult to drive even in a straight line.
>   And finally...with all this world class hardware on display, what were
> the British film crews going gaw-gaw over?  Behind Bell during an
> interview, a '70 Dodge Daytona R/T (the winged cars of Nascar
> Legends)was on display and the TV guy was slightly giddy standing next
> to it...
> dave henrie

>Yup, I'm sure modern F1 cars are a pain in the ass.  The grooved tires put
>all the emphasis on aerodynamic grip, so as soon as the car starts to get
>sideways the aero gets spoiled, and you suddenly lose a lot of grip.  Plus,
>with the tiny engines, fuel loads, and gearboxes they have these days, I
bet
>the cars have a tiny polar moment of inertia which should make them even
>twitchier.  Then there's also the relatively stiff suspension, which
>exaggerates the effects of bumps.

>Harder than GPL though?  I don't know. Let's not assume GPL is perfectly
>realistic.

>-A

>>  I just watched a Speedvision show on the Goodwood Festival of Speed
>>from Jolly ol England.  It was taped during the summer and featured many
>>many different cars, especially 60's & 70's Le Mans cars.  The 917, and
>>962 looked awesome.  Some Can Am cars, and even Richard Burns Rally
>>winning Subaru.  They all ran this one way course that took just under a
>>minute for most of the cars to complete.  The fastest car was a year old
>>McClaren Formula One with Nick Heidfield driving.  now my point:
>>  Most of the old cars ran up the course fairly well behaved, looking
>>quite smooth.  But the Mclaren was twitching and jumpy and in general
>>looking more like a crash waiting to happen than a sophisticated world
>>class racing car.  Now granted, the course was not of F1 caliber and
>>the  Le Man cars probably never made it past 2nd gear, but the F1 racer
>>was waaaay more twitchy than anything else shown during the program.
>>Even Derek Bell sliding the Porche 962 into the hay bales looked genteel
>>compared to the Mclaren run.
>>  So...for everybody whose claimed GPL is too hard to drive because it
>>models skinny tired wingless wonders, I have to ask...what would a
>>modern F1 sim be like?  Shouldn't it too be extremely difficult to
>>handle?  I'm not saying they won't turn-in or anything, but if that Mac
>>was representative of current F1 roadhugging, then GP3 should be
>>EXTREMELY difficult to drive even in a straight line.
>>  And finally...with all this world class hardware on display, what were
>>the British film crews going gaw-gaw over?  Behind Bell during an
>>interview, a '70 Dodge Daytona R/T (the winged cars of Nascar
>>Legends)was on display and the TV guy was slightly giddy standing next
>>to it...
>>dave henrie

> Sorry but I must just ***in .... as usual:-)

> To be honest this is quite a load of codswallop.

> N/A GP3 should be very hard to drive so was GP2 to an extent.

> But like you said if I GT car can't even go past 2nd gear its undrivable
for
> an F1 car which is why it was twichy.

> I was just at the Motrosport international show in the RDS lately and they
> made a rally sprint stage in the car park!?!?!
> Well layed out but almost all cars had tremendous difficulty, extremly
> narrow and the car was begging to be pushed hard but the driver would end
up
> in IT for a while. Because of the speed and mainly the power curve of F1
> they have to be able to flow into a corner, all F1 tracks allot this, even
> Monaco to an extent, there are exceptions but nothing drastic that I can
> think of off hand.
> I would imagine it would be easier to drvie a slower car on the type of
> circuit you described since the power curve is not so great meaning less
> wheels spin and tight movement which I think is the cause for the
> twitchyness.

> Still though, I don't know the circuit but if tyou think a modern day F1
> caris more diffcult to drive than a 1960's car then forget it. A chicane
was
> not heard of in 1960 for 2 reasons.....

> 1. It slows you down, who wants that.......?
> 2. Just try imagine drving GPL in Monza in its current state....loads of
> fun, but it just can't be done as well as in 1960's spec. But look at 1999
> cars, they just flick through with no bother (except Mika but thats
another
> rant on RASF1.....hehe)

> Anyway thats my idea of things
> --
> GraDee (...who awaits reasons why his responce is totally outragious......
> go on ymenard, I know your out there.....hehe, just joking.)
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> >   I just watched a Speedvision show on the Goodwood Festival of Speed
> > from Jolly ol England.  It was taped during the summer and featured many
> > many different cars, especially 60's & 70's Le Mans cars.  The 917, and
> > 962 looked awesome.  Some Can Am cars, and even Richard Burns Rally
> > winning Subaru.  They all ran this one way course that took just under a
> > minute for most of the cars to complete.  The fastest car was a year old
> > McClaren Formula One with Nick Heidfield driving.  now my point:
> >   Most of the old cars ran up the course fairly well behaved, looking
> > quite smooth.  But the Mclaren was twitching and jumpy and in general
> > looking more like a crash waiting to happen than a sophisticated world
> > class racing car.  Now granted, the course was not of F1 caliber and
> > the  Le Man cars probably never made it past 2nd gear, but the F1 racer
> > was waaaay more twitchy than anything else shown during the program.
> > Even Derek Bell sliding the Porche 962 into the hay bales looked genteel
> > compared to the Mclaren run.
> >   So...for everybody whose claimed GPL is too hard to drive because it
> > models skinny tired wingless wonders, I have to ask...what would a
> > modern F1 sim be like?  Shouldn't it too be extremely difficult to
> > handle?  I'm not saying they won't turn-in or anything, but if that Mac
> > was representative of current F1 roadhugging, then GP3 should be
> > EXTREMELY difficult to drive even in a straight line.
> >   And finally...with all this world class hardware on display, what were
> > the British film crews going gaw-gaw over?  Behind Bell during an
> > interview, a '70 Dodge Daytona R/T (the winged cars of Nascar
> > Legends)was on display and the TV guy was slightly giddy standing next
> > to it...
> > dave henrie

> N/A GP3 should be very hard to drive so was GP2 to an extent.