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by **John Simmon** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:53:32

I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint
forum, and they deleted the message.

The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a
slash through the text.

by **Malc** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:46:24

So what's your point?

Malc.

by **Aide** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:02:24

Yeah...i also fail to see why you have posted that 'really' interesting
point in here.

Takes all sorts but your sort..no thanks.

alt.dudes.weirdoftheworld

...might be to your liking.:)

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:44:09

John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all you
want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post
antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or
Japanese in general) who sim-race?
Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because they
know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of people that,
at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well.
What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion of
TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are
assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable portion of
thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.)
Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? Well GM
has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for Ford...and
just who owns Daimler-Chrysler?
Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom, Tyco,
etc etc)
So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be a
Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get all
chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and supporting a
racing series.
Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back.
dave henrie

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by **don hodgdo** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:55:50

LOL! Stepped on someone's toes eh?

Aww John, don't let 'em get you down. If you've been reading the news
lately, you know the Japanese are wooing NASCAR. Heaven forbid there be any
controversy surrounding NASCAR. (That's a poor attempt at sarcasm for those
of you who can't take a joke)

BTW, do you know where I could find a real decal like that? After the
Honda/Toyota/CART parting of the ways, I'd like one for both my Volvos ;-)

Don

by **ymenar** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:04:57

> I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint
> forum, and they deleted the message.

Well it's their forum, they can do whatever they want. You, of course, can
also post it elsewhere if you want on the Internet :)

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by **Haqsa** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:36:58

I would like to add that the Camry that is sold in America was also designed
and is built in America by Americans. The design studio is right here in
good old Ann Arbor, MI. The Camry is as American as a Dodge, and has every
right to be represented in NASCAR.

> John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all you
> want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post
> antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or
> Japanese in general) who sim-race?
> Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because they
> know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of people
that,
> at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well.
> What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion of
> TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are
> assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable portion
of
> thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.)
> Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? Well
GM
> has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for Ford...and
> just who owns Daimler-Chrysler?
> Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom,
Tyco,
> etc etc)
> So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be a
> Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get all
> chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and supporting
a
> racing series.
> Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back.
> dave henrie

> > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint
> > forum, and they deleted the message.

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by **John Simmon** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:57:09

says...

STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right
to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*.

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:11:29

It said "no jap *cars*", not "no japs".

Who really gives a shit why they're doing it? It's just wrong.

I'm not going to argue semantics. Sure, blah blah blah, all the cars
in the world are now made in japan or Germany, blah blah - horseshit.

That's NOT the point, Dave.

That's completely out of context.

Nascar is the only series left that uses only American branded cars.
It's been that way since 1957, and I see it as an *American*
institution. It's completely within my rights to be pissed off that
they're gonna let something overtly foreign run in Winston Cup.

I don't give a rat's ass about CART, and that's out of context too.

I'd be just as pissed off if Mercedes, Fiat, or Ferrari were the
marque in question.

Is my opionion gonna have any effect on what Nascar does? No. Is
that gonna change my views, no way. Do you have to agree? Nope, and
I don't really care who does or doesn't agree.

However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is
the first step to fascism.

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:12:39

Sorry, the idea came to me earlier this morning, and I haven't had a
chance to get it to the decal manufacturers yet. :)

> LOL! Stepped on someone's toes eh?

> Aww John, don't let 'em get you down. If you've been reading the news
> lately, you know the Japanese are wooing NASCAR. Heaven forbid there be any
> controversy surrounding NASCAR. (That's a poor attempt at sarcasm for those
> of you who can't take a joke)

> BTW, do you know where I could find a real decal like that? After the
> Honda/Toyota/CART parting of the ways, I'd like one for both my Volvos ;-)

> Don

> > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint
> > forum, and they deleted the message.

> > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a
> > slash through the text.

by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:54:58

You could also add that "American" cars just happen to be primarily
built in Mexico using parts manufactured in Taiwan, China, and Japan.

Jason

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:01:45

> > John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all
you
> > want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post
> > antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or
> > Japanese in general) who sim-race?

> It said "no jap *cars*", not "no japs".

> > Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because
they
> > know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of people
that,
> > at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well.

> Who really gives a shit why they're doing it? It's just wrong.

> > What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion
of
> > TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are
> > assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable
portion of
> > thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.)

> I'm not going to argue semantics. Sure, blah blah blah, all the cars
> in the world are now made in japan or Germany, blah blah - horseshit.

> > Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? Well
GM
> > has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for
Ford...and
> > just who owns Daimler-Chrysler?

> That's NOT the point, Dave.

> > Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom,
Tyco,
> > etc etc)

> That's completely out of context.

> > So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be
a
> > Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get
all
> > chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and
supporting a
> > racing series.

> Nascar is the only series left that uses only American branded cars.
> It's been that way since 1957, and I see it as an *American*
> institution. It's completely within my rights to be pissed off that
> they're gonna let something overtly foreign run in Winston Cup.

> > Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back.

> I don't give a rat's ass about CART, and that's out of context too.

> I'd be just as pissed off if Mercedes, Fiat, or Ferrari were the
> marque in question.

> Is my opionion gonna have any effect on what Nascar does? No. Is
> that gonna change my views, no way. Do you have to agree? Nope, and
> I don't really care who does or doesn't agree.

> However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is
> the first step to fascism.

I'm with John on this one. But Nascar's ruined already anyway, so what
the hell. Just another pro sport now, and that's no compliment in my book.

John

by **Malc** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:02:22

You appear to have grossly misunderstood the right to free speech. I
recommend you actually check your rights before this misunderstanding gets
you beaten up in a bar somewhere.

You also appear to have a certain lack of tact, which is probably even more
likely to get you beaten up in a bar.

HAND, Malc.

by **Michael Basde** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:03:59

Ah so he's not really anti-Japanese...he's just anti-competition!

If a Japanese manufacturer (or any other for that matter) can give these
'domestic' car-makers a run for their money while following Nascar's rules,
I'm all for it!

International competition has done wonders for racing (and street cars) over
the the past 3 decades and you as an *American* (...yawn...) should realize
that.

Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist'
ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous.

Just my $0.02...

by **Ian** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:38:35

>STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right
>to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*.

Without getting into the subject matter of your complaint, I just
wanted to comment on your "right to free speech", and the inevitible
claims of "censorship" which are sure to follow. Yes, the
Constitution of the United States guarantees you the right to whatever
opinion you want and the right to express that opinion without fear of
persecution or prosecution. What it most emphatically does NOT
guarantee you is that someone is obligated to provide you with the
means to express that opinion. So, if some third party owns a
privately operated website (or radio station or newspaper or TV
station) there is no obligation on their part to give you a forum to
publish or broadcast your opinion. So if, for example, you had
expressed your negative opinions about Japanese cars in NASCAR in a
letter to the editor or an Op-Ed piece to your local newspaper and
they declined to publish it, does this constitute "censorship" or
otherwise violate your right to free speech? Nope, not at all. This
third party also has "rights", and one of them is the right to
broadcast/publish whatever they choose. You are perfectly entitled to
start your own website (or radio station or newspaper or TV station)
and broadcast whatever opinion you want. As long as you are not
engaging in slander or libel or breaking any anti-hate laws, then no
problem, rant away.

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