I understand. But we run fixed FAST setups. I cannot alter that.
This may be entirely due to the lousy aero package for the SS these days. I
really missed the days of laying the spoiler back to 40 :)
> Gosh Larry, I probably wasn't very clear about the point I was wanting to
> make.....I know you know "how it works"......I was trying to
explain/account
> for why it appeared not to work in N2K2 during your "experiment."
> Let me try a different approach:
> With no "qual motor" in N2K2...its strictly a gearing issue....a low 4th
> gear gets the car to max speed during the warm-up lap....thus the
high-line
> throwaway lap doesn't get more speed out of the car on the second lap.
> However, if you run a very high 4th gear....then you must run the
throwaway
> or your lap time in the second lap is slow. That was the "point" I was
> trying to make.....to account for the results of your experiment. I think
> its not an issue of whether it works or not....but whether its needed or
not
> needed. And that depends on the gearing you've chosen for your qual
setup.
> Here's an idea. Take the "fast" setup.......go two clicks higher gear on
> 4th.....then make some qual runs with both methods and see which produces
> the faster times. My bet is that the "throwaway" method will. But, I
could
> be wrong about that......its just a guess.
> Tom
> > Tom,
> > I know how the one-lap throwaway works. I used it to win some 80 poles
in
> > the days of TEN and later on WON.
> > However, especially with the fixed FAST setup we run in RASCAR, it
doesn't
> > work any more and, indeed, results in a slower overall second lap time.
> > -Larry
> > > Larry...
> > > If you watched Daytona qual yesterday....for the Pepsi 400.....you
might
> > > have seen a few drivers "not" run a one lap throwaway....one lap go
for
> > > it.....qual run, although most of them did.
> > > If you use a low 4th gear.....you need the throwaway lap to build up
> > speed.
> > > Your first timed lap will be about .5 to .8 secs slower than the
second
> > lap
> > > run down on the bottom. With the "fast" default......the gearing is
> > > designed to get you to max speed within the outlap run and both your
> timed
> > > laps will be pretty much at max speed....so only the line you take
will
> > > effect your lap time. Hope this makes sense?
> > > I usually get the same times as you list below with the default
> > > "fast"....but on the occasional run....can get below 50's (49.8xx)
with
> > the
> > > line.........allowing the car to free-wheel through the turns. But,
> this
> > > requires a perfect entry.....where no adjustments are required through
> the
> > > turn. Can't do it very often....but occasionally I pull it off. I
> think
> > > you will see the same results if you keep making qual runs. Its very
> hard
> > > to get it just perfect on entry.
> > > Of course, temps and wind effect the times you run.....so when looking
> at
> > > qual times posted on the net.....you must see what the weather
settings
> > were
> > > in order to make comparisons to your times. If the weather isn't
> > > listed....you can't really compare.
> > > You should find all of this pretty much "ditto" at Tally.
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom
> > > > Ok, I did a Qual experiment at Daytona, and here are the results.
> > > > First, there is NO WAY you are going to blow up during qual with the
> > fast
> > > > setup. First off, they have the grille opened up wide. Secondly,
the
> > > > gearing is so high that you won't break 6300 rpm the whole run.
> > > > Secondly, I proved that the "Throw away the first lap" doesn't work,
> at
> > > > least not with this setup.
> > > > With "First Lap give up method" - 50.770.
> > > > Normal run, at racing line all 3 laps - 50.177.
> > > > I have no doubt many can beat these qual times. My SS quals have
> sucked
> > > > since N4 came out. I used to be a pole-sitter all the time before
> > > N4/N2002.
> > > > I haven't figured out the trick these other guys are using to beat
> > > everyone
> > > > by a second or two...
> > > > However, it's good enough to determine that you won't blow up no
> matter
> > > > which method you use, nor is there an reason to throw away the first
> > lap.
> > > > -Larry
