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Yep I went and bought it from a local EB so it can be returned :-)

I've spent my time building a 1450HP Funnycar. My best time has
been 7.011 at 188MHP.  Here are some quick impressions. Feel
free to jump in with corrections or help :-)

1) The manual does not list all the keyboard commands. The only
     way find what commands are possible is in the OPTIONS menu.
     Some commands for graphic detail are listed though. Whom
     ever put the manual together needs a new line of work IMHO.

2) The only way to exit the game is via the OPTIONS menu?

At this point I am thinking Bethesda really does not want me to
keep this game.

3) I have been racing HEADSUP because I hate bracket racing.
    I am unable to configure the game to allow me to race an event
    against a full FunnyCar field. WTF? I don't really care to race
    an ancient pony... I want to do an event against all FC's.

4) Seems virtually impossible to burnout. Line-LOCK appears
     to do nothing. While the OTHER cars just sit in the box and
     burnout all day.

5) Why can I almost flip my FC when I move the center of gravity?
     What is the point of the wheelie bars?

6) Why is there no sound in the replays?

7) What is the best way to setup a TM T2 for this game. It is impossible
     to use the gas/brake at the same time since they are on the same
     joystick axis. This is one thing I am really not liking very much. It
     totally hacked together to try to make this work.

8) Is it really impossible to put an Auto trans into reverse? Do you
     really have to push a REVERSE button like you apparently need
     to in the game?

Thanks for any help anyone can give. But, I'm afraid that point 3 will
cause me to return the game.

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Like has been stated before this is sportsman drag racing

Pull into the burnout bay hold you trans brake and hit line lock and hold
your gas about
8000 rpms the car will roll forward slowly while spinning the tires.

Wheelie bars didn't Big Daddy garlits a few years ago from flipping.

If your have a T2 you have to setup just like you do in any other racing
game (N2,ICR2 ect.)

Yes thats the problem with just about any racing game and wheel you have to
use a button for reverse, again nascar2, gP2 , and so on.

I'll give it a try.

?!?!?!

It is. My point is that it isn't good enough. The best I can do is assign
the
Trans-brake to my shift lever and let it go when I want to release. Do
the real cars have to pull back on a lever for the trans brake?

GP2 and I believe F1RS could downshift to reverse. N2 is porked in the
respect.

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Assign your trans brake to one of your red buttons and reverse to the other
I wouldn't know about F1RS but I had GP2 for about a week before I gave it
away!!!!!
and you had to use a button for reverse in that game aswell atleast for a
T2,wouldn't know about any other wheel since I can't afford a TSW or ECCI.

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Actually I took the game back to EB. There was much about it
I thought was OK, but much more that I really disliked.

1) Many of the keyboard commands are not in the manual. This alone
     led me to believe the game was rushed out the door with the obligatory
     *C*R*A*P* manual.

2) No sound in the replays.

3) The overlay of the hood view really looked like a cartoon overlaid
     on the screen. Kind of like a cardboard cut out.

4) The front bumper view was awesome though. More or less made
     the lack of a***pit a non issue.

5) I guess I really dislike sportsman bracket drag racing :-)

6) The computer cars would just sit in the burnout box and
     do burnouts. No way can the USER controlled car do this.

7) I *NEVER* saw an AI car blow a start, blow up or otherwise
    crash. If I didn't provide the e***ment in this regard, it didn't
    happen. The computer cars seemed perfect which is bad.

I did download the Funny Car setup form the www site mentioned
in an earlier post. My best time was 6.197secs at 228mph. I know
I would like a drag racing game this one just wasn't it... Sorry guys.
I did try it, gotta give me credit for that :-)

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Depends on the tires that you choose.

I have my T2 setup the following way.  The shifter is setup like you normally
would.  I have reverse setup as the top button and trans-brake setup as the
bottom button next to the wheel.  When you use the trans-brake, you do not
need to brake job it.  It essentially works like neutral.

Yes once you engage the trans brake you can release the brake.
It does act like it is in neutral. However your reaction time is now
determined by how quickly you release the trans brake. Very awk-
ward when your trans brake is on a T2 button. Since I was using an
auto trans I thought it was much easier to assign the trans brake to
the shift lever on my T2 (when i pulled back it was ON). I was getting
reaction times of between .100 and .028 which was my best. So this
worked well. Eventually I got the controls for the game down like I
wanted. But I still couldn't really do a burnout, and tere were other
things about the game I didn't like.

1) The computer AI never crashed, blew up, or redlighted.

2) Apparently you can build unrealisticly fast cars (5.27 in
     a 55 Chevy... Right.)

3) The game really seemed rushed out the door.

I do know if a good drag racing game comes down the line
I'll like it. Burnout tought me that much :-)

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I'm pretty sure that it'll be a better sim from what I read here about
Burnout and what I know about "NDR" I would like to see Burnout get
fixed so we would have both a pro category and a sportsman sim, after "X
Car" though I have my doubts about Bethesda being able to do a real sim.

Trev

says...

[snip]

Just a question about the line lock, I don't own the game so I don't know if
the manual explains how to use it (or if you already know.) To use a line lock,
you apply and hold the brakes, hit the line lock switch, then release the
brakes. This keeps the front binders engaged but not the rears. Then after you
get the tires spinning you release the line lock to start moving. Is that what
you did?

First of all, Trev, it was directed to Greg.. Second of all, you are just being
"closed" minded. Explain this, on kali, everyone likes it?? You are just seeing t
he "one side of the issue" here.

That's not being very "open minded", though everyone is entitled to an opinion f
or which you have done, YET, have not played the software.
Now what's up with that???

As for NHRA.. it only shows talks about "two classes" of racing.. And yes, it's
got alot of "eyecandy".. So let me jump ahead.. Just because it's got a***pit,
does it still mean it's a sim??...

HELL NO!!.. i.e. TOCA..
Cause of "one" software they brought out??? Jeez.. talk about harsh.

If you want to be that way.. Hmm.. I recall about all the bad things of TSW when
 they first came out and during the past year. Yet, I have nothing wrong with you
r company at all. Cause, all I hear is "hearsay"..

So does that mean that the TSW is really a "good" wheel???

Now think about it.. I feel as though, you shouldn't base an opinion off of one'
s opinions, yet, you don't have the material or experience to even base "your" co
nclusions about a game or product.. Comprende???

I am just voicing my "opinion" on the subject..

take care
jd

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(1) Have some kind vested interest in NDR (not sure what your interest is
though)

(2) Haven't tried Burnout yet (will you?)

(3) Continually talk about whats wrong in Burnout and better in NDR

Makes it real hard to take your criticisms seriously.

I personally, am "Digging the Hell" out of Burnout, I've been playing on Kali
and having a Ball. If you go to the S.H.R.A. web site you'll find close to 150
people already signed up for league racing with more signing up every day.

You and the people putting out NDR had better hope it's as good as Burnout or
better or you'll all be in for a rude suprise (you know how USENET is).

I personally have every intention of buying NDR when it comes out, and if
it's everything it's "HYPED" to be I'll keep it and sing its praises here just
like I do Burnouts.

But we've all seen "A LOT OF HYPE" about games before and at the present thats
all NDR is, is HYPE.

So do yourself a favor go to EB buy Burnout, have some fun and then if you
think it's a hunk of ***like "X-Car" take it back.

You don't have to tell us if you like it, we understand it's just business and
all.

I just think you're doing a dis-service to NDR by bashing the competitors
product before yours is on the market.

See ya,

Bob "Sledge the Hammah"

P.S. If you become a closet Burnout freak and play online beware of 5 second
55 Chevys :^)

This sounds like BS hasnt yet learned to do a sim and that they are
still in "arcade" mode?

Not neccesarily, what makes me think it is a real sim is the list of
features, the fact that the guys who are doing it are all present or
past racers. Don Prudhomme has had input into the sim as well as his
current drivers Ron Capps, Larry Dixon and several other TF and FC
drivers.

Its got a better start toward being a real sim AFAIC, I have been
keeping up with Burnout since it was first announced, I've read the
previews etc, seen the screenshots, read all the comments and this is
what my opinion is based on, I will admit that X Car has been and still
is affecting my thinking toward BS's inability to do it right.

Well if you***up royally like that, what do expect people to think?

Not sure what you mean here, I dont know of any problems with the TSW,
sounds a little like a personal attack there Julian? We still have yet
to have a unti returned because someone didnt like it.

 Yet, I have nothing wrong with you

Oh yeah?

Well I dont know if it does or not but we just had the biggest sales
month in our 5 year history, we built a factory with the profits from
last year and still cant keep up with demand so I suppose we must have a
fairly good product :)!

Trev

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