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Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

darre..

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by darre.. » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 05:21:29

I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
(acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Txl

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Txl » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 05:51:38

if you don' have W2k it is no use since w98 and wme don't use more than 256
or maybe max 512 but surely not 768....

if you remove the extra ram does nascar starts again ok ?


> I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
> but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
> screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
> screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
> garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
> (acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
> is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
> Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

Goy Larse

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Goy Larse » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 06:01:55


> I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
> but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
> screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
> screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
> garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
> (acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
> is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
> Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

There is an issue with Win9x and more than 512 MB of RAM, I can't
remember the fix for this, but you can check this by removing one RAM
chip to see if it helps....

Also, try swapping the chips about to see if you have a bad one perhaps,
it might not show up under regular Windows usage

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Goy Larse » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 06:10:01


> if you don' have W2k it is no use since w98 and wme don't use more than 256
> or maybe max 512 but surely not 768....

Actually, Win9x (well at least 98 and ME) has no 256 or 512 RAM limit,
there is however an issue when going over 512, a very easy fix that I
can't for the life of me remember and I can't seem to find the post that
was made about in here either, I'm sure someone will refresh our memory
:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

darre..

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by darre.. » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 06:21:02

I took one module out (256mb) which then left 512mb and everything
seems fine now. Goy, if you remember the fix please let me know. Thank
you both very much for your help.
Harald Edwin Boer

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Harald Edwin Boer » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 06:58:05

I saved the solution from someone else's post. here it it:

To take advantage of more than 512mb of ram in win9x. you have to edit the
system.ini file.  simply add:

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=524288


Goy Larse

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Goy Larse » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 06:57:47


> I took one module out (256mb) which then left 512mb and everything
> seems fine now. Goy, if you remember the fix please let me know. Thank
> you both very much for your help.

You're most welcome, and I'm sure one of the guys in here will remember
the fix, something with setting the vcache size to max 512 MB or
something....?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

David Ciemn

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by David Ciemn » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:59:49

I have 98se and have three sticks loaded equaling 768. My system recognized
768. Do I need to still edit the system.ini file?

Dave


> I saved the solution from someone else's post. here it it:

> To take advantage of more than 512mb of ram in win9x. you have to edit the
> system.ini file.  simply add:

> [vcache]
> MaxFileCache=524288


> > I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
> > but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
> > screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
> > screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
> > garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
> > (acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
> > is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
> > Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks.

Tom Pabs

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Tom Pabs » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:58:31

Well....there's lots of "horseshoe" answers here (close....but no
"ringers").

You are experiencing the good old "Out Of Memory" bug in Win95, 98, 98SE
and ME.....appears only when you have more than 512 mb of RAM
installed....and the problem is made worse if you have your AGP aperture
set at more than 64 MB mapped as well (which many of us do running
Nvidia cards......not necessary running 3dfx video cards since they
don't use the AGP port anyway).

This is not an issue of Windows "recognizing" a certain amount of
RAM...or a limit of RAM.  It will recognize all you give it up to 800 MB
(or at least that's the Vcache limit).  There's an area of the Vcache
called the "system arena" and Windows needs to reserve address space
there in order to boot....and to run certain substrate applications.
When you have more than 512 MB of RAM installed, these specific memory
addresses can be taken up already.....and Windows doesn't look for
another "free" address space.  It simply thinks there's no available RAM
memory in the system arena.  Hence, you keep getting these "Out of
Memory" error messages....or any program attempting to access the system
arena and "borrow RAM memory" from Windows addresses.....doesn't
function properly.

In GPL......when you attempt to go onto the race track (from the track
selection UI screen), you will get a message something like, "Can't
initialize the replay system."   I never tried seeing what N4
did......but apparently it will attempt to grab address space
somewhere....and it doesn't work properly according to your problem
description.

Herald's "workaround fix" listed above is correct.  If you need
additional information you can query the MSKB for a complete description
of the problem and various "workarounds" that will fix this issue.

I don't really know what you will do or need all that RAM for.  It won't
make your system run faster....it would let you keep more graphic files
open while running other programs.  However, I have had as many as 15
GPL track texture files open in PSP at the same time.....minimized to
the task bar....and could still run GPL with full field AI
cars......using 512 MB of system RAM.  The memory speed and (FSB)
determine how fast your computer runs....not the "size" of the RAM it
has (beyond 128 MB......which is considered minimum RAM these days for
running Win98 and up).

Regards,

Tom

darre..

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by darre.. » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:06:34

Thanks Harald for the fix and thanks Tom for the great explanation. It
makes a lot more sense to me know.

Darrell

Larr

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Larr » Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:23:47

There are MS Knowledgebase articles on the Win9x >512 MB Memory issue.
There is also a work-around (a vcache setting), but it takes away anything
over what you set it for.

This is not a problem with Win2K.

However, there IS a memory management issue with some who use Hercules GTXP
Sound Cards and have more than 256MB of RAM.

-Larry



> > if you don' have W2k it is no use since w98 and wme don't use more than
256
> > or maybe max 512 but surely not 768....

> Actually, Win9x (well at least 98 and ME) has no 256 or 512 RAM limit,
> there is however an issue when going over 512, a very easy fix that I
> can't for the life of me remember and I can't seem to find the post that
> was made about in here either, I'm sure someone will refresh our memory
> :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com
> http://www.teammirage.com

> "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
> --Groucho Marx--

Larr

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Larr » Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:25:08

It's a vcache setting in the system.ini i386 section.  But, you lose
everything over 512MB of RAM.

Search the MS Knowledgebase.  You'll find it...

-Larry


> I took one module out (256mb) which then left 512mb and everything
> seems fine now. Goy, if you remember the fix please let me know. Thank
> you both very much for your help.

Larr

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Larr » Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:25:27

That's the one!

-Larry



> I saved the solution from someone else's post. here it it:

> To take advantage of more than 512mb of ram in win9x. you have to edit the
> system.ini file.  simply add:

> [vcache]
> MaxFileCache=524288


> > I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
> > but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
> > screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
> > screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
> > garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
> > (acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
> > is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
> > Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks.

Larr

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Larr » Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:26:08

The problem isn't that Win9x doesn't see it, it's that Win9x isn't _stable_
with over 512MB.

You should limit your Win9x OS's to 512MB.

-Larry


> I have 98se and have three sticks loaded equaling 768. My system
recognized
> 768. Do I need to still edit the system.ini file?

> Dave


> > I saved the solution from someone else's post. here it it:

> > To take advantage of more than 512mb of ram in win9x. you have to edit
the
> > system.ini file.  simply add:

> > [vcache]
> > MaxFileCache=524288


> > > I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
> > > but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
> > > screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
> > > screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
> > > garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
> > > (acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
> > > is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
> > > Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
> > > Thanks.

Larr

Major Problems with N4 after adding RAM

by Larr » Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:21:42

Are you running a Hercules Game Theatre XP sound card ?

-Larry


> I just upgraded my ram from 256mb to 768mb and my system works fine
> but when I start Nascar4 I have major problems. I get the sierra
> screen and the video at startup fine but when it gets to the menu
> screen, the whole screen is garbled and you can't see anything but
> garble. I'm using 3 pc133 modules that are 256mb each which is
> (acording to my gigabyte technology motherboard manual) the max. Pc133
> is what was in it before, sdram, 3.3v so everything should work fine.
> Any advice or help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.


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