rec.autos.simulators

by **Eric Fesle** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:14:42

I just picked up and installed the game. I am using an analog wheel
and pedals, Simulation model, Linear steering and no cheats besides
automatic clutch. I also tried several different steering gear
settings (garage).

The problem is that once the car begins to oversteer due to throttle
application, no amount of opposite lock has any effect whatsoever.
Clearly in a car with race tires you should be able to recover
completely from throttle oversteer (not lift throttle oversteer) at
low speeds.

The effect of this is that as you are driving around a road course if
you make a mistake you cannot recover. This seems like such an
obvious mistake that it is hard to believe it slipped into the game.
I would love to hear that there is a setting I have missed which will
put the handling back where it should be.

I have had one friend that also has the game confirm that he is seeing
the same behavior.

Thanks,
Eric Fesler

by **Marc Collin** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:41:52

What happens if you engage the clutch when the spin starts? Like GPL, even
if you let off the gas, there is still a whack of HP flowing to the rear
wheels under these circumstances (i.e., immediately following
throttle-induced oversteer). (I don't have my copy of N4 yet, but the same
thing will happen in GPL, so I am extrapolating.)

Marc.

by **Wosc** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:55:46

Try to use less than full throttle when exiting the corners. You can't
expect to throw all that HP onto the road at once and easily drive away!
Once you start spinning the rear tires, you have lost most grip in the rear
end so it will oversteer! If you use less throttle, that lets you
accelerate without spinning the tires, so you keep the grip in the rear, and
accelerate faster...or is using partial throttle a new concept to you?

JB

by **Sébastien Tixi** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:49:55

On 09 fvr. 2001, you wrote in rec.autos.simulators:

>>The problem is that once the car begins to oversteer due to throttle
>>application, no amount of opposite lock has any effect whatsoever.
>>Clearly in a car with race tires you should be able to recover
>>completely from throttle oversteer (not lift throttle oversteer) at
>>low speeds.

>You have a total loss of traction at the rear, somewhat akin
>to applying a handbrake. The rear may definitely keep going.

>Have you ever been to a race?

More over, if i remember correctly, the WC cars have 2 tons weight !!
And GPL cars have avg. 600 kg ! That's a LOT of inertia .

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by **Ben Colema** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:22:21

IIRC one of the motor simulation sites (BlackHole?) has a review by a Nascar
driver of a Nascar sim who ststes that, in real life, once the car is
beyond (I think) 15 degrees, it is uncatchable. Maybe someone else can be
less vague than me!

Ben

>On 09 fvr. 2001, you wrote in rec.autos.simulators:

>>>The problem is that once the car begins to oversteer due to throttle
>>>application, no amount of opposite lock has any effect whatsoever.
>>>Clearly in a car with race tires you should be able to recover
>>>completely from throttle oversteer (not lift throttle oversteer) at
>>>low speeds.

>>You have a total loss of traction at the rear, somewhat akin
>>to applying a handbrake. The rear may definitely keep going.

>>Have you ever been to a race?

>More over, if i remember correctly, the WC cars have 2 tons weight !!
>And GPL cars have avg. 600 kg ! That's a LOT of inertia .

>--
>Seb
>Game Developer
>GPLRank -41.68
>http://magicfr.multimania.com

by **Tony Whitle** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:22:08

Oh no! IRL Nascars have a canned spin routine built in ;-)

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by **Todd Sorense** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:20:50

I don't know about this guy, but I've been to a race. They're fun!! I am
flying out to Vegas in March for the Winston Cup race. That will be fun,
too.

> >The problem is that once the car begins to oversteer due to throttle
> >application, no amount of opposite lock has any effect whatsoever.
> >Clearly in a car with race tires you should be able to recover
> >completely from throttle oversteer (not lift throttle oversteer) at
> >low speeds.

> You have a total loss of traction at the rear, somewhat akin
> to applying a handbrake. The rear may definitely keep going.

> Have you ever been to a race?

by **ymenar** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:44:44

> The problem is that once the car begins to oversteer due to throttle
> application, no amount of opposite lock has any effect whatsoever.

That's perfectly normal Eric. Those Winston Cup cars weight over 2 tons,
you can't expect (even if you are on banking) to catch a car easily as that,
even at low speeds. I suggest you perhaps tap the brakes a little

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by **Jerr** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:43:36

no they dont weigh over 2 tons. If you dont think they can be corrected in
real life racing, you have not watched the career of Dale Earnhardt SR

> > The problem is that once the car begins to oversteer due to throttle
> > application, no amount of opposite lock has any effect whatsoever.

> That's perfectly normal Eric. Those Winston Cup cars weight over 2 tons,
> you can't expect (even if you are on banking) to catch a car easily as
that,
> even at low speeds. I suggest you perhaps tap the brakes a little

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:06:37

It could be accurate.

Clearly??? Clearly you need less throttle.

It is certainly possible.

Try using less throttle.

One last thing. Duh :-)

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by **Sébastien Tixi** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:21:20

Sorry, in France, Nascar is not very popular, and the last time i saw
nascar on Eurosport they say that they weighed 1.8t, Engine was 6L , 4
cylinders, and about 400bhp ... I will be pleased to know the new values !
And i don't say that you can't correct it but it is very more difficult than
a 1967 F1 car because of the weight. So it's a compliment for Nascar
drivers, even if IMO F1 pilots are better drivers ... but anyway we can't
compare those two style of driving.

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by **Olav K. Malm** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:34:39

> >no they dont weigh over 2 tons. If you dont think they can be corrected
> >in real life racing, you have not watched the career of Dale Earnhardt

> Sorry, in France, Nascar is not very popular, and the last time i saw
> nascar on Eurosport they say that they weighed 1.8t, Engine was 6L , 4
> cylinders, and about 400bhp ... I will be pleased to know the new values !
> And i don't say that you can't correct it but it is very more difficult than
> a 1967 F1 car because of the weight. So it's a compliment for Nascar
> drivers, even if IMO F1 pilots are better drivers ... but anyway we can't
> compare those two style of driving.

You've probably seen it already, but check the post from rreved where
he qoutes Dale Earnhard jr. who sais 3400 pound stock car. That's
approximately 1.7 - 1.8 tonnes :)

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by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:53:37

700 HP

> >>no they dont weigh over 2 tons. If you dont think they can be corrected
> >>in real life racing, you have not watched the career of Dale Earnhardt

> >Sorry, in France, Nascar is not very popular, and the last time i saw
> >nascar on Eurosport they say that they weighed 1.8t, Engine was 6L , 4
> >cylinders, and about 400bhp ... I will be pleased to know the new values
!

> 8 cylinders / ?600-700 hp?.

by **ymenar** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:26:39

> no they dont weigh over 2 tons.

Depends on what kind of ton your talking about. Anyway I think we get the
point that a WC is "heavy". So often people loose the point and nitpick.

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-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Sébastien Tixi** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:24:28

let summurise this,

1.7t / 700 bhp / 8 cylinders ( flat ? twin ? )
Tyres : slick ? ... not very wide anyway

Well, now we can tell that it's difficult to correct a slide
so Nascar 4 IS accurate :o)

CQFD !
that means in French " That what it needs to be demonstrated " :o)

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Seb
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