rec.autos.simulators

by **Jussi Lassi** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:06:03

>Is anyone else just completely bored of GPL.

No, I'm more hyped than ever :).

The cars...I love the cars. Modern F1 cars are dull! The '67 beasts are a
bunch of mean macho machines of mayhem. In no other game is there such
feeling of power that those cars have...

Also, I think GPL has the essential parts of a racing simulator - decent
graphics, good controls, good online play. I can't wish for much more, so
I'm not waiting too much for any GPL replacements. I'm happy with the
current one.

Jussi

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:30:57

> If you think a Voodoo card looks better, you better get out of the PC making
> business because you are doing something incredibly wrong! LOLOL ;)

I wasn't talking about the card itself you know, I was talking about the
image quality........I have no problems admitting that the Gainward GF2
PRO card my brother has looks better than my V5, fancy red colour and
all

Beers and cheers
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by **ymenar** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:26:51

> I for one probably will ALWAYS have it installed on my PC (at least in the
> forseeable future).

Well that's what I say. Evidently, it will dissapear from each and every
one of our life ;-)

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by **ymenar** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:28:46

> I keep reading this, but if sales where so bad, how come there are at
least
> 2 budget releases of it, i.e.. Sierra Classics?

It's a myth. There was never any official numbers, but I've read some that
were in the 6 numbers (yes, over 100 000 copies sold) in a magazine, not the
rumored 40 000. Mostly because of a strong Europe reach-out.

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by **Thom j** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:51:30

I tend to agree with your ideas in GPL Jussi but I did take a hiatus
from GPL for a good 8+months of my 3-yr 'stint' with GPL. Also
I balance my music with computer sim racing & *** so I dont
spend hour apon hour in Vroc but I use to the 1st year it was out.
I feel the main problem with this "Bored" thing is we need a good
new sim but the newer ones lately just seem to fall short of all our
expectations & certainly many of the "aliens" need this as it must
be a big bore for them to run GPL many days now! jmho tho' :)

|
| >Is anyone else just completely bored of GPL.
|
| No, I'm more hyped than ever :).
|
| >I mean "I really dont like this anymore. Frankly it sucks. I dont want to
| >drive something thats 34 years old. I dont like the cars, I'm bored of
the
| >tracks, I cant stand it any more."
|
| The cars...I love the cars. Modern F1 cars are dull! The '67 beasts are a
| bunch of mean macho machines of mayhem. In no other game is there such
| feeling of power that those cars have...
|
| Also, I think GPL has the essential parts of a racing simulator - decent
| graphics, good controls, good online play. I can't wish for much more, so
| I'm not waiting too much for any GPL replacements. I'm happy with the
| current one.
|
| Jussi

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by **Steve Blankenshi** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:10:18

Sounds familiar, Thom; I pretty much got away from simracing completely for most of last year. Nothing to do with boredom, just
other priorities. But I never uninstalled GPL and would occasionally fire it up for a lark. And every time left me with a smile;
what a piece of work. But I gradually got back into it again and soon was approaching my old pace, and found the online scene much
more stable, deeper in talent and still unmatched for quality of competitors. With all the add-on tracks, utilities like GPLRA and
graphic improvements, the game has continued to grow in appeal. For me, it's the TRUE successor to GP2 (regardless of era). While I
don't drive it every day these days, I still think GPL is an amazing achievement that surpasses mere craft and approaches art. And
doing it less often now, I avoid GPL burnout, which is what I'd guess is most peoples' problem with it, not boredom.

But time marches on and someday GPL will vanish from my HD, just like GP2 finally did (still prefer it to GP3). Considering what it
will take to make that happen, I can only look forward to the day!

Cheers,

Steve B.

> I tend to agree with your ideas in GPL Jussi but I did take a hiatus
> from GPL for a good 8+months of my 3-yr 'stint' with GPL. Also
> I balance my music with computer sim racing & *** so I dont
> spend hour apon hour in Vroc but I use to the 1st year it was out.
> I feel the main problem with this "Bored" thing is we need a good
> new sim but the newer ones lately just seem to fall short of all our
> expectations & certainly many of the "aliens" need this as it must
> be a big bore for them to run GPL many days now! jmho tho' :)

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by **Scott B. Huste** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:35:49

LOL! Yeah.. I have that Gainward GeForce 2 Pro 450 "Golden Sample" 64mb
with the 4.5ns DDR memory and love it. Although the card tends to get
dusty over time and just ruins the appearance of the card. ;)

Tribes 2 is beautiful at 1024 resolution and 32bit setting. Yes, I'm
playing 'games' since sim racing is still in its 2 year old 'funk'. =)
CMR2 is the only sim I have fired up the last few weeks and I'm suppose to
race in the ESCORS series at Daytona tonight w/N4. The good news is no
matter how many or bad wrecks I may cause... the others will have no problem
driving to the pits and getting repairs with little or no consequences on
their cars speed. ;)

Scott
PA-Scott
PowerSimsMag.com

> > If you think a Voodoo card looks better, you better get out of the PC
making
> > business because you are doing something incredibly wrong! LOLOL
;)

> I wasn't talking about the card itself you know, I was talking about the
> image quality........I have no problems admitting that the Gainward GF2
> PRO card my brother has looks better than my V5, fancy red colour and
> all

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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by **Jeff Vince** » Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:43:31

>I used to love GPL, I ran the UKGPL league for a while and came 2nd in the
>first year championship. However, time has taken it's toll and I now find
>myself in a position where I'm bored with it. It's not that I don't like GPL
>anymore, far from it, I just no longer find it a compulsive game. It's been
>on my HD for 3 and a half years (if you count the demo) whereas any other
>game lasts a maximum of 6 months so this is in no way a criticism of GPL.
>It's just that I've become bored with it.

I think that's the essential point. *Everyone* will become bored
with something at some point. Everyone has their own "boredom
threshhold". For the most casual racers, GPL bored them from the
start (too much like work! :). OTOH, even the most hard-core amongst
us has to come up for air and take a break from GPL at some time. The
fact that you can still go on VROC on a weekend night and see 100
racers driving a three year old sim that was a "financial failure" (in
the opinion of some) is pretty amazing. While some of us take a
break, there are still others carrying on. And until there's
something better, GPL and VROC will still be there.

I can say I'm bored with GPL, too (but still run in my league every
week or two), and sim racing in general. I'm looking for something
new and exciting. Rally Trophy, WSC, anything... that can offer the
realism and depth and fun that GPL has.

One other point, someone said "well Alesi's not bored after ten
years and 200 races" (approximate quote). Sure, but does he drive his
car for an hour or two *every day*? Does he participate in one or
more races per week? (That's online league races, serious stuff, not
the "fast food" of pickup races which can be several per night.)
While modern real-life racers have a full schedule, I think a sim
racers spends more time on the track. Three years of GPL (racing
every day) is the equivalent of several long F1 careers, IMO.

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

by **Asgeir Nesoe** » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 02:06:49

HEY! I am 34 years old! Why does everyone have to pick on me or my age!
Blaraargh!

Try composite car classes instead. Or give it up altogether. This is not as
bad choice as it sounds. ;-)

---Asgeir---

> Is anyone else just completely bored of GPL.

> I dont mean - "Ah - I'll give it a fortnight and I'll be loving it again"

> I mean "I really dont like this anymore. Frankly it sucks. I dont want to
> drive something thats 34 years old. I dont like the cars, I'm bored of the
> tracks, I cant stand it any more."

> I know I'm at best, average at GPL. But frankly - I'm just bored to ***
> with it. I cant be bothered anymore

> Doug

by **Thom j** » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 06:10:33

Steve, I have never taken GPL off my HD aka HDs as I have a 100'gigs
of HD space & I'd like to double it...lol but as yourself I guess the over
dose got to me about 2&1/2-yrs in? Also, my health situation was a big
factor in stopping all *** but I too came back & knocked my times
down considerably! The only diff now I guess is, I am so immersed in
my music again the 24hrs a day doesn't seem to be enough for just my
playing, writing and composing but I guess I will be back again once I
have a few new 100,000 [only j/k] compostions done? :) So sooner or
later I'll be back in my puter sim seat racing away again!... :)
Cya on the track -Thom_j.

| Sounds familiar, Thom; I pretty much got away from simracing completely
for most of last year. Nothing to do with boredom, just
| other priorities. But I never uninstalled GPL and would occasionally fire
it up for a lark. And every time left me with a smile;
| what a piece of work. But I gradually got back into it again and soon was
approaching my old pace, and found the online scene much
| more stable, deeper in talent and still unmatched for quality of
competitors. With all the add-on tracks, utilities like GPLRA and
| graphic improvements, the game has continued to grow in appeal. For me,
it's the TRUE successor to GP2 (regardless of era). While I
| don't drive it every day these days, I still think GPL is an amazing
achievement that surpasses mere craft and approaches art. And
| doing it less often now, I avoid GPL burnout, which is what I'd guess is
most peoples' problem with it, not boredom.
|
| But time marches on and someday GPL will vanish from my HD, just like GP2
finally did (still prefer it to GP3). Considering what it
| will take to make that happen, I can only look forward to the day!
|
| Cheers,
|
| Steve B.
|

| > I tend to agree with your ideas in GPL Jussi but I did take a hiatus
| > from GPL for a good 8+months of my 3-yr 'stint' with GPL. Also
| > I balance my music with computer sim racing & *** so I dont
| > spend hour apon hour in Vroc but I use to the 1st year it was out.
| > I feel the main problem with this "Bored" thing is we need a good
| > new sim but the newer ones lately just seem to fall short of all our
| > expectations & certainly many of the "aliens" need this as it must
| > be a big bore for them to run GPL many days now! jmho tho' :)
| >

| > |
| > | >Is anyone else just completely bored of GPL.
| > |
| > | No, I'm more hyped than ever :).
| > |
| > | >I mean "I really dont like this anymore. Frankly it sucks. I dont
want to
| > | >drive something thats 34 years old. I dont like the cars, I'm bored
of
| > the
| > | >tracks, I cant stand it any more."
| > |
| > | The cars...I love the cars. Modern F1 cars are dull! The '67 beasts
are a
| > | bunch of mean macho machines of mayhem. In no other game is there such
| > | feeling of power that those cars have...
| > |
| > | Also, I think GPL has the essential parts of a racing simulator -
decent
| > | graphics, good controls, good online play. I can't wish for much more,
so
| > | I'm not waiting too much for any GPL replacements. I'm happy with the
| > | current one.
| > |
| > | Jussi
| >
| >
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by **Douglas Elliso** » Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:27:13

> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 02:08:03 GMT, "Rik Anthrax"

> >> > Is anyone else just completely bored of GPL.

> >> No. What's boring about driving a racing car?

> >Nothing, but the question was about a computer game.

> No, the question was about GPL.

> /petern

And pedantic attitudes about GPL such as THAT one - make it even better to
avoid the title completely

Doug

by **Tony Whitle** » Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:33:02

I'm guessing that's the same thing as an Austin Healey Frogeye Sprite... I
had one for most of the 70's and I can tell you that you really don't want
to drive one at speed. Any speed! I'd love to see a physics engine that
could simulate the heart-stopping 3ft sideways leap when you hit a bump when
cornering. And thank god GPL doesn't have rain...

Aha. That explains it. A textbook case of ***.

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Tony Whitley
GPLRank -0.54
MonsterRank 407 and falling...
"On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

by **Leo Landma** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 08:18:36

OK, good bye.

Leo

by **Leo Landma** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 08:26:36

Only when/if something better comes along, Yves. If not, I feel like I'll
happily play GPL for the rest of my life. This is the first and only 'game'
that doesn't bore me, and I've 'played' it since the the demo came out. And
I'm still learning.

Bye,
Leo