Does anyone know how to fix it.
Sure don't - I didn't know these were on the market yet. Where can you get
one? Are there any reviews yet?
Other than the dead zone, how do you like the wheel?
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As with previous NASCAR PRO wheels this sounds like it is out of
calibration. I have checked the calibration several times.
Win98/Celeron at 550/Abit BXR-2 motherboard.
Ordered it from Buy.com 2 or 3 weeks ago, received it today, was
released from backorder earlier in the week.
Gene
1) Action: I downloaded and installed the latest driver,
DTPRO-9X-303c.exe from the http://www.thrustmaster.com web site.
Result: No improvement, still a dead zone.
2) Action: Removed the base from the wheel and sprayed electrical
contact cleaner in the steering potentiometer.
Result: Maybe a slight narrowing of the dead zone, but that could
have been my imagination as the calibration wierdness did not change
when viewed from games.
3) Action: Went to SETTINGS->CONTROL PANEL->GAME CONTROLLER and removed
Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB. I then selected the ADD button and
chose Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB.
Result: The wheel worked great. No more dead zone and smooth
steering response around the center.
It's hard to say if just removing the controller and then adding it again
fixed the problem, or if it was a combination of things, or maybe I just got
lucky. In any case, it is working correctly now. I ordered the wheel about a
month ago from http://www.buy.com and just got it last Wednesday. This is
the first racing wheel I've owned, so I can't make any comparisons but the
pedal base is awfully light. I am going to have to find a way of anchoring
it since it keeps scooting out from under my feet. It looks like a review on
this wheel will be posted shortly on http://www.joy-stick.net.
Good Luck
Guillemot R/D seem to think that you guys wouldn't notice such a BRUTAL
positioning resolution, since after all..... we are all dummies who couldn't
possibly comprehend or notice..... right Guillemot?
Everything I have heard on this NG points to a BIG problem with Guillemot's
USB implementation as a whole.... and from speaking with them in the
past..... they are in it way over their heads in USB implementation. They
should stick to analog.....
Sorry Guillemot..... there is more to Wheels than putting a prancing horse
and a NASCAR insignia on the product to make it function properly. I would
avoid them like the plague.....
Cheers,
Shumi
http://www.rs2league.com
> 1) Action: I downloaded and installed the latest driver,
> DTPRO-9X-303c.exe from the http://www.thrustmaster.com web site.
> Result: No improvement, still a dead zone.
> 2) Action: Removed the base from the wheel and sprayed electrical
> contact cleaner in the steering potentiometer.
> Result: Maybe a slight narrowing of the dead zone, but that could
> have been my imagination as the calibration wierdness did not change
> when viewed from games.
> 3) Action: Went to SETTINGS->CONTROL PANEL->GAME CONTROLLER and
removed
> Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB. I then selected the ADD button and
> chose Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB.
> Result: The wheel worked great. No more dead zone and smooth
> steering response around the center.
> It's hard to say if just removing the controller and then adding it again
> fixed the problem, or if it was a combination of things, or maybe I just
got
> lucky. In any case, it is working correctly now. I ordered the wheel about
a
> month ago from http://www.buy.com and just got it last Wednesday. This is
> the first racing wheel I've owned, so I can't make any comparisons but the
> pedal base is awfully light. I am going to have to find a way of anchoring
> it since it keeps scooting out from under my feet. It looks like a review
on
> this wheel will be posted shortly on http://www.joy-stick.net.
> Good Luck
> > Does anyone know how to fix it.
I am going to try to get some answers from Guillemott, but based on your
experience this may not be easy.
> Guillemot R/D seem to think that you guys wouldn't notice such a BRUTAL
> positioning resolution, since after all..... we are all dummies who
couldn't
> possibly comprehend or notice..... right Guillemot?
> Everything I have heard on this NG points to a BIG problem with
Guillemot's
> USB implementation as a whole.... and from speaking with them in the
> past..... they are in it way over their heads in USB implementation. They
> should stick to analog.....
> Sorry Guillemot..... there is more to Wheels than putting a prancing horse
> and a NASCAR insignia on the product to make it function properly. I would
> avoid them like the plague.....
> Cheers,
> Shumi
> http://www.rs2league.com
> > I too just got a Nascar Pro Digital and it also had a dead zone around
the
> > center. After calibrating the wheel in Grand Prix Legends, it would be
> > centered at a raw value of 320 and I could turn the wheel 5 to 10
degrees
> > left or right before the value would jump from 320 to about 360 turning
> > right or 280 turning left. The calibration results under Nascar 1999
were
> > almost identical to those of GPL. The dead zone caused eratic steering
> > behavoir around the center in both games. Here are the things I tried to
> fix
> > the problem as well as the results:
> > 1) Action: I downloaded and installed the latest driver,
> > DTPRO-9X-303c.exe from the http://www.thrustmaster.com web site.
> > Result: No improvement, still a dead zone.
> > 2) Action: Removed the base from the wheel and sprayed electrical
> > contact cleaner in the steering potentiometer.
> > Result: Maybe a slight narrowing of the dead zone, but that
could
> > have been my imagination as the calibration wierdness did not change
> > when viewed from games.
> > 3) Action: Went to SETTINGS->CONTROL PANEL->GAME CONTROLLER and
> removed
> > Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB. I then selected the ADD button
and
> > chose Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB.
> > Result: The wheel worked great. No more dead zone and smooth
> > steering response around the center.
> > It's hard to say if just removing the controller and then adding it
again
> > fixed the problem, or if it was a combination of things, or maybe I just
> got
> > lucky. In any case, it is working correctly now. I ordered the wheel
about
> a
> > month ago from http://www.buy.com and just got it last Wednesday. This
is
> > the first racing wheel I've owned, so I can't make any comparisons but
the
> > pedal base is awfully light. I am going to have to find a way of
anchoring
> > it since it keeps scooting out from under my feet. It looks like a
review
> on
> > this wheel will be posted shortly on http://www.joy-stick.net.
> > Good Luck
> > > Does anyone know how to fix it.
The fact that you have no "noticeable" problems with the wheel when you
calibrate it in GPL as opposed to the Windows calibration only confirms my
fears..... they [Guillemot/TM] have completely hacked into the positioning
resolution to counteract the mechanical jitter, and GPL is doing it's best
to counteract the effect.
GPL itself is establishing the deadzone, and any subtle deflection of the
wheel from center will cause a jump to 10 degrees of turn (approximately).
People are noticing it in the Guillemot Ferrari Wheel, TM Force GT (which is
basically a Guillemot in sheep's clothing), and in Guillemot USB joysticks
(they are BRUTAL for this).
Wish I had better news..... but the more you explain.... the more my fears
are confirmed ;(
Cheers,
Shumi
> I am going to try to get some answers from Guillemott, but based on your
> experience this may not be easy.
> > Not a deadzone issue really. It's a "positioning resolution" issue. The
> > problem is on the Firware Positioning Algorithm used on the USB chip.
From
> > what you have said..... looks like Guillemot/TM have not learned from
the
> > mistake in their WingLeader USB Joystick, and decided to use a similar
> > algorithm in their new USB wheels. If this is true, you have a
positioning
> > resolution of about 25 to translate 270 degrees of turn. In fact.... it
> will
> > be even lower if the wheel only has 180 degrees of turn (positioning
> > resolution of about 18.... which is concurrent with the positioning
> > resolution of the WingLeader joystick [19]).
> > Guillemot R/D seem to think that you guys wouldn't notice such a BRUTAL
> > positioning resolution, since after all..... we are all dummies who
> couldn't
> > possibly comprehend or notice..... right Guillemot?
> > Everything I have heard on this NG points to a BIG problem with
> Guillemot's
> > USB implementation as a whole.... and from speaking with them in the
> > past..... they are in it way over their heads in USB implementation.
They
> > should stick to analog.....
> > Sorry Guillemot..... there is more to Wheels than putting a prancing
horse
> > and a NASCAR insignia on the product to make it function properly. I
would
> > avoid them like the plague.....
> > Cheers,
> > Shumi
> > http://www.rs2league.com
> > > I too just got a Nascar Pro Digital and it also had a dead zone around
> the
> > > center. After calibrating the wheel in Grand Prix Legends, it would be
> > > centered at a raw value of 320 and I could turn the wheel 5 to 10
> degrees
> > > left or right before the value would jump from 320 to about 360
turning
> > > right or 280 turning left. The calibration results under Nascar 1999
> were
> > > almost identical to those of GPL. The dead zone caused eratic steering
> > > behavoir around the center in both games. Here are the things I tried
to
> > fix
> > > the problem as well as the results:
> > > 1) Action: I downloaded and installed the latest driver,
> > > DTPRO-9X-303c.exe from the http://www.thrustmaster.com web site.
> > > Result: No improvement, still a dead zone.
> > > 2) Action: Removed the base from the wheel and sprayed electrical
> > > contact cleaner in the steering potentiometer.
> > > Result: Maybe a slight narrowing of the dead zone, but that
> could
> > > have been my imagination as the calibration wierdness did not change
> > > when viewed from games.
> > > 3) Action: Went to SETTINGS->CONTROL PANEL->GAME CONTROLLER and
> > removed
> > > Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB. I then selected the ADD button
> and
> > > chose Thrustmaster ProDigitalUSB.
> > > Result: The wheel worked great. No more dead zone and smooth
> > > steering response around the center.
> > > It's hard to say if just removing the controller and then adding it
> again
> > > fixed the problem, or if it was a combination of things, or maybe I
just
> > got
> > > lucky. In any case, it is working correctly now. I ordered the wheel
> about
> > a
> > > month ago from http://www.buy.com and just got it last Wednesday. This
> is
> > > the first racing wheel I've owned, so I can't make any comparisons but
> the
> > > pedal base is awfully light. I am going to have to find a way of
> anchoring
> > > it since it keeps scooting out from under my feet. It looks like a
> review
> > on
> > > this wheel will be posted shortly on http://www.joy-stick.net.
> > > Good Luck
> > > > Does anyone know how to fix it.
Gene
But..... who knows..... if enough people complain to Guillemot about it....
perhaps they might FINALLY listen to and fix, what I told them would happen
in the first place. But..... you may end up with jitters in the end if you
have your wish..... those guys have no idea what they are doing over there
to be honest, and cutting into the positioning resolution is all they could
come up with. Plus they seem VERY adverse to spending more money when they
feel the majority of people will be happy with the product as is.... But ya
never know..... start flooding their forum for the controllers and they may
HAVE TO fix it to avoid the increase in egg on their face.
Cheers,
Shumi
> As with previous NASCAR PRO wheels this sounds like it is out of
> calibration. I have checked the calibration several times.
> Win98/Celeron at 550/Abit BXR-2 motherboard.
> Ordered it from Buy.com 2 or 3 weeks ago, received it today, was
> released from backorder earlier in the week.
> Gene
> >Does anyone know how to fix it.
The biggest problem I had is that it would drift up in to wall coming out of
the turns in Dega...
Once I took some Vice Grips and clamped the color around the pot (not too
tight, it has to have some 'slide' action so you don't eat the pot up moving
the wheel back and forth) it was fine.
-Larry
> As with previous NASCAR PRO wheels this sounds like it is out of
> calibration. I have checked the calibration several times.
> Win98/Celeron at 550/Abit BXR-2 motherboard.
> Ordered it from Buy.com 2 or 3 weeks ago, received it today, was
> released from backorder earlier in the week.
> Gene
> >Does anyone know how to fix it.
Well shit, I just got one and it does the same thing. Funny though,
that in the pro digital calibration routine, the picture of the wheel
turns very fast off of center, but it takes a bit for the white ball to
move.
I just emailed thrustmaster tech support and we will see. If I get the
run around and no real solution, I am taking it back.
Has anyone notice that you have to use the pro digitals delete button
when you delete a button assignment? If you right click on the field
and select "select all" and then right click on the field again and
select "delete" that the values seem to disappear, but if you do
anything, they pop right back in. Now why didn't they just disable this
little dialog if it doesn't work? That is very very poor programming
practice.
DR Ephemeron
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Before you buy.
> Well shit, I just got one and it does the same thing. Funny though,
> that in the pro digital calibration routine, the picture of the wheel
> turns very fast off of center, but it takes a bit for the white ball
to
> move.
> I just emailed thrustmaster tech support and we will see. If I get the
> run around and no real solution, I am taking it back.
> Has anyone notice that you have to use the pro digitals delete button
> when you delete a button assignment? If you right click on the field
> and select "select all" and then right click on the field again and
> select "delete" that the values seem to disappear, but if you do
> anything, they pop right back in. Now why didn't they just disable
this
> little dialog if it doesn't work? That is very very poor programming
> practice.
> DR Ephemeron
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> Before you buy.
I still want this software problem fixed immediatley. I don't just
accept hack tricks to make things right. :)
DR Ephemeron
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Before you buy.
> > Well shit, I just got one and it does the same thing. Funny though,
> > that in the pro digital calibration routine, the picture of the
wheel
> > turns very fast off of center, but it takes a bit for the white ball
> to
> > move.
> > I just emailed thrustmaster tech support and we will see. If I get
the
> > run around and no real solution, I am taking it back.
> > Has anyone notice that you have to use the pro digitals delete
button
> > when you delete a button assignment? If you right click on the field
> > and select "select all" and then right click on the field again and
> > select "delete" that the values seem to disappear, but if you do
> > anything, they pop right back in. Now why didn't they just disable
> this
> > little dialog if it doesn't work? That is very very poor programming
> > practice.
> > DR Ephemeron
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> OK, well I tried the business where I would remove it from the game
> controllers dialog in the control panel. I then added it back in and
> immediatly went into nascar 3 and calibrated there and the dead spot
> was gone. The numbers would immediatley change with a light tocuh.
> I still want this software problem fixed immediatley. I don't just
> accept hack tricks to make things right. :)
> DR Ephemeron
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> Before you buy.
DR Ephemeron
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Before you buy.
Hope that help you.
Christian.