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NASCAR Simulator

bertr

NASCAR Simulator

by bertr » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:37:37

I happened to be in C***te, NC this week, and happened upon something
called "NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway" at the Concord Mills Mall.
Basically, it was a NASCAR simulator with perhaps a dozen full size (or
almost) cars that you sit in, each equipped with large video screens in
front and on either side.   Races are 7 minutes long and you race
against other drivers and the AI.  The car you sit in moves in
accordance with what's happening on the "track".  There were  4 tracks
to choose from - Daytona (with and without restrictor plates), Atlanta,
C***te and Richmond.

I'm sure that "non-PC simmers" find this to be a great experience.
While I'm no hotshot at N4 or NR2002 (I race GPL mostly), I found that
after 4 races (1 at each track), I wasn't real impressed with this
simulator.  I think that N4 and NR2002 overall are a lot tougher to
drive well, and the FF offered in PC software was superior to what this
simulator offers.  The only advantage to this simulator was the large
displays.

I would think that these simulators can be found in other locations, as
a non-simmer friend of mine raced at one in Michigan (and loved it).

If there are any serious NR2002, N4 (or other) simmer's here who have
tried this simulator, I'd be curious to hear your opinions of how it
compares to PC racing.  I wasn't too impressed overall, but maybe I
missed something.

Bert

Kevin Anderso

NASCAR Simulator

by Kevin Anderso » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:26:02

I tried the one up in Albany, I thought it sucked. My 3 year old enjoyed
riding shotgun though.

--
Kevin Anderson


Intrepi

NASCAR Simulator

by Intrepi » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:03:48

I live in the C***te area and I have tried the simulator that you
are talking about.  I have been racing Papyrus Nascar series games
since Nascar1 and the simulators you tried at Concord Mills is a joke
compared to todays simulators.  Not the same at all.



madhatte

NASCAR Simulator

by madhatte » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:49:39

I bet their not as crappy as the ones at the NA$CAR Cafe in Vegas!!!!

> I live in the C***te area and I have tried the simulator that you
> are talking about.  I have been racing Papyrus Nascar series games
> since Nascar1 and the simulators you tried at Concord Mills is a joke
> compared to todays simulators.  Not the same at all.

madhatte

NASCAR Simulator

by madhatte » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:50:01

I bet their not as crappy as the ones at the NA$CAR Cafe in Vegas!!!!

> I live in the C***te area and I have tried the simulator that you
> are talking about.  I have been racing Papyrus Nascar series games
> since Nascar1 and the simulators you tried at Concord Mills is a joke
> compared to todays simulators.  Not the same at all.

J. Todd Wass

NASCAR Simulator

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:10:18

  I live about a mile from the one at Mall of America in MN, and really love
it, although it's been a long time since I've played.  The thing that got me
was how the car would be somewhat neutral steer through one track's corner,
then go oversteer with some throttle, then understeer with full throttle.  I
swear I could feel it squirm in a way that haven't seen anywhere else yet, but
then again, I've haven't played the latest Papy Nascar sims..  Very nice tire
model I thought anyway :-)

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

My little car sim screenshots:
http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

TlgtrPr

NASCAR Simulator

by TlgtrPr » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:50:37

there used to be one in chicago (schaumberg) is it still there?  always at
least wanted to try it...

****
"Here we are on a planet moving and spinning though space at 500 miles per
second...and look...my beer stays right there in the glass!  Ain't that just
the neatest thing?" -- Bob 'Spaceman' Lee interviewed by*** Schaap (quote
approximate)

MadDAW

NASCAR Simulator

by MadDAW » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:50:43

The biggest problem with them is the same online sim racing. If you don't
join a league you end up in a wreck fest. I have ran it three times and
every time I end up getting taken out by some kid that thinks wrecking is
cool. Its about like racing on a Papy loop server. I do feel that the PC
games are more advanced, but the nice part of the simulator is you get more
of a natural feel because of the true seat of the pants feel.

MadDAWG

Tom Pabs

NASCAR Simulator

by Tom Pabs » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:59:21

These are pretty much "junk".....about like an "arcade ride".....rather than
a simulator.  I was given "unlimited" driving privileges at the Vegas
facility last year at the SEMA show (as their for 3-days)....and spent a
total of about three minutes in one car....got out in the middle of the run
and never went back the entire stay in Vegas....and I could have run as much
as I wanted for free....the entire trip (I was staying in the hotel above
the NASCAR Cafe).  It was a waste of time......IMHO.

TP


Doug Roger

NASCAR Simulator

by Doug Roger » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:26:40


> These are pretty much "junk".....about like an "arcade ride".....rather than
> a simulator.  I was given "unlimited" driving privileges at the Vegas
> facility last year at the SEMA show (as their for 3-days)....and spent a
> total of about three minutes in one car....got out in the middle of the run
> and never went back the entire stay in Vegas....and I could have run as much
> as I wanted for free....the entire trip (I was staying in the hotel above
> the NASCAR Cafe).  It was a waste of time......IMHO.

> TP



> > I happened to be in C***te, NC this week, and happened upon something
> > called "NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway" at the Concord Mills Mall.
> > Basically, it was a NASCAR simulator with perhaps a dozen full size (or
> > almost) cars that you sit in, each equipped with large video screens in
> > front and on either side.   Races are 7 minutes long and you race
> > against other drivers and the AI.  The car you sit in moves in
> > accordance with what's happening on the "track".  There were  4 tracks
> > to choose from - Daytona (with and without restrictor plates), Atlanta,
> > C***te and Richmond.

> > I'm sure that "non-PC simmers" find this to be a great experience.
> > While I'm no hotshot at N4 or NR2002 (I race GPL mostly), I found that
> > after 4 races (1 at each track), I wasn't real impressed with this
> > simulator.  I think that N4 and NR2002 overall are a lot tougher to
> > drive well, and the FF offered in PC software was superior to what this
> > simulator offers.  The only advantage to this simulator was the large
> > displays.

> > I would think that these simulators can be found in other locations, as
> > a non-simmer friend of mine raced at one in Michigan (and loved it).

> > If there are any serious NR2002, N4 (or other) simmer's here who have
> > tried this simulator, I'd be curious to hear your opinions of how it
> > compares to PC racing.  I wasn't too impressed overall, but maybe I
> > missed something.

> > Bert

I used to do this at the Mall of America (Minneapolis, MN). As Tom and
others have said, it's an arcade ride. As such, it's pretty fun. As a
simulator, well, you may want to save your money. I wish they could use
a "sim" setup for leagues and competitions, and keep the arcade setup
for the drop-in players. They certainly couldn't stay in business with
strictly a sim setup. Can you imagine the average joe paying $8.50 to
get in and just spin the car in the pits? Wait, don't answer that. ;^)
Reminds me of the time I tried to play one of those shoot-em-up games at
the arcade (Donkey Kong is more my speed): there's no instructions on
how to play, first of all; I put my money in and push 'Start',
you'redead/you'redead/you'redead/game over.
I didn't play that game again.
John DiFoo

NASCAR Simulator

by John DiFoo » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:08:32


> I happened to be in C***te, NC this week, and happened upon something
> called "NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway" at the Concord Mills Mall.
> Basically, it was a NASCAR simulator with perhaps a dozen full size (or
> almost) cars that you sit in, each equipped with large video screens in
> front and on either side.   Races are 7 minutes long and you race
> against other drivers and the AI.  The car you sit in moves in
> accordance with what's happening on the "track".  There were  4 tracks
> to choose from - Daytona (with and without restrictor plates), Atlanta,
> C***te and Richmond.

> I'm sure that "non-PC simmers" find this to be a great experience.
> While I'm no hotshot at N4 or NR2002 (I race GPL mostly), I found that
> after 4 races (1 at each track), I wasn't real impressed with this
> simulator.  I think that N4 and NR2002 overall are a lot tougher to
> drive well, and the FF offered in PC software was superior to what this
> simulator offers.  The only advantage to this simulator was the large
> displays.

> I would think that these simulators can be found in other locations, as
> a non-simmer friend of mine raced at one in Michigan (and loved it).

> If there are any serious NR2002, N4 (or other) simmer's here who have
> tried this simulator, I'd be curious to hear your opinions of how it
> compares to PC racing.  I wasn't too impressed overall, but maybe I
> missed something.

> Bert

     Given that the reviews have been mostly negative, why doesn't Papy
try their hand at this kind of thing?  Or market a NASCAR game for the
coin-op arcades?  Or are arcades pretty much dormant anymore?
[Judging by my visit to my local Dave & Busters, which contains no
racing games less than 2 years old, I'd say so...]

    John DiFool

Lubos Pochm

NASCAR Simulator

by Lubos Pochm » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:08:34

I was at the same facility in Vegas a few months back and tried
the open wheeler, and it was pretty bad experience. I had to
switch two cars, before I got into something working,
and after that the projection on the wall was so bad (almost
everything was white) with no contrast, that it was like driving
with your eyes closed. Waste of money (but hey, it is Vegas, you
are supposed to waste money there 8-).

> These are pretty much "junk".....about like an "arcade ride".....rather than
> a simulator.  I was given "unlimited" driving privileges at the Vegas
> facility last year at the SEMA show (as their for 3-days)....and spent a
> total of about three minutes in one car....got out in the middle of the run
> and never went back the entire stay in Vegas....and I could have run as much
> as I wanted for free....the entire trip (I was staying in the hotel above
> the NASCAR Cafe).  It was a waste of time......IMHO.

> TP



> > I happened to be in C***te, NC this week, and happened upon something
> > called "NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway" at the Concord Mills Mall.
> > Basically, it was a NASCAR simulator with perhaps a dozen full size (or
> > almost) cars that you sit in, each equipped with large video screens in
> > front and on either side.   Races are 7 minutes long and you race
> > against other drivers and the AI.  The car you sit in moves in
> > accordance with what's happening on the "track".  There were  4 tracks
> > to choose from - Daytona (with and without restrictor plates), Atlanta,
> > C***te and Richmond.

> > I'm sure that "non-PC simmers" find this to be a great experience.
> > While I'm no hotshot at N4 or NR2002 (I race GPL mostly), I found that
> > after 4 races (1 at each track), I wasn't real impressed with this
> > simulator.  I think that N4 and NR2002 overall are a lot tougher to
> > drive well, and the FF offered in PC software was superior to what this
> > simulator offers.  The only advantage to this simulator was the large
> > displays.

> > I would think that these simulators can be found in other locations, as
> > a non-simmer friend of mine raced at one in Michigan (and loved it).

> > If there are any serious NR2002, N4 (or other) simmer's here who have
> > tried this simulator, I'd be curious to hear your opinions of how it
> > compares to PC racing.  I wasn't too impressed overall, but maybe I
> > missed something.

> > Bert

Doug Millike

NASCAR Simulator

by Doug Millike » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:50:26

The original owner (and developer) of NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway (SMS),
was named Silicon Entertainment--and they went dot-bomb last year.  About
1/2 the original sites are back running under new owners, "Perfect Line".
<www.smsonline.com>

No idea how well the sites are being maintained by the new owners, I don't
think that they have done any further development on the game (at least not
yet).

"NASCAR Cafe" may be something completely different??  There isn't a
permanent SMS site in Las Vegas...or was the one you mention below set up
just for the show?


> These are pretty much "junk".....about like an "arcade ride".....rather than
> a simulator.  I was given "unlimited" driving privileges at the Vegas
> facility last year at the SEMA show (as their for 3-days)....and spent a
> total of about three minutes in one car....got out in the middle of the run
> and never went back the entire stay in Vegas....and I could have run as much
> as I wanted for free....the entire trip (I was staying in the hotel above
> the NASCAR Cafe).  It was a waste of time......IMHO.

> TP



> > I happened to be in C***te, NC this week, and happened upon something
> > called "NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway" at the Concord Mills Mall.
> > Basically, it was a NASCAR simulator with perhaps a dozen full size (or
> > almost) cars that you sit in, each equipped with large video screens in
> > front and on either side.   Races are 7 minutes long and you race
> > against other drivers and the AI.  The car you sit in moves in
> > accordance with what's happening on the "track".  There were  4 tracks
> > to choose from - Daytona (with and without restrictor plates), Atlanta,
> > C***te and Richmond.

> > I'm sure that "non-PC simmers" find this to be a great experience.
> > While I'm no hotshot at N4 or NR2002 (I race GPL mostly), I found that
> > after 4 races (1 at each track), I wasn't real impressed with this
> > simulator.  I think that N4 and NR2002 overall are a lot tougher to
> > drive well, and the FF offered in PC software was superior to what this
> > simulator offers.  The only advantage to this simulator was the large
> > displays.

> > I would think that these simulators can be found in other locations, as
> > a non-simmer friend of mine raced at one in Michigan (and loved it).

> > If there are any serious NR2002, N4 (or other) simmer's here who have
> > tried this simulator, I'd be curious to hear your opinions of how it
> > compares to PC racing.  I wasn't too impressed overall, but maybe I
> > missed something.

> > Bert

Tim

NASCAR Simulator

by Tim » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:47:44

As crappy at SMS was, they were pretty expensive to setup.

These guys seem to have more to offer but dont seem to be real aggressive
about it...
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac



> > I happened to be in C***te, NC this week, and happened upon something
> > called "NASCAR Silicon Motor Speedway" at the Concord Mills Mall.
> > Basically, it was a NASCAR simulator with perhaps a dozen full size (or
> > almost) cars that you sit in, each equipped with large video screens in
> > front and on either side.   Races are 7 minutes long and you race
> > against other drivers and the AI.  The car you sit in moves in
> > accordance with what's happening on the "track".  There were  4 tracks
> > to choose from - Daytona (with and without restrictor plates), Atlanta,
> > C***te and Richmond.

> > I'm sure that "non-PC simmers" find this to be a great experience.
> > While I'm no hotshot at N4 or NR2002 (I race GPL mostly), I found that
> > after 4 races (1 at each track), I wasn't real impressed with this
> > simulator.  I think that N4 and NR2002 overall are a lot tougher to
> > drive well, and the FF offered in PC software was superior to what this
> > simulator offers.  The only advantage to this simulator was the large
> > displays.

> > I would think that these simulators can be found in other locations, as
> > a non-simmer friend of mine raced at one in Michigan (and loved it).

> > If there are any serious NR2002, N4 (or other) simmer's here who have
> > tried this simulator, I'd be curious to hear your opinions of how it
> > compares to PC racing.  I wasn't too impressed overall, but maybe I
> > missed something.

> > Bert

>      Given that the reviews have been mostly negative, why doesn't Papy
> try their hand at this kind of thing?  Or market a NASCAR game for the
> coin-op arcades?  Or are arcades pretty much dormant anymore?
> [Judging by my visit to my local Dave & Busters, which contains no
> racing games less than 2 years old, I'd say so...]

>     John DiFool

Dan Belch

NASCAR Simulator

by Dan Belch » Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:04:51

I tried the open wheel one in Vegas too.  What a waste.  On the very first lap,
someone got out of control under me and tagged my rear end.  I lost control and
slammed head-on into the wall, flying up into the air and absolutely destroying
my suspension.  The car was so heavily damaged, it took me AT LEAST 3 full
minutes to ever get into my pitstall and get the car fixed.  After I repaired
the car, I went back up onto the racetrack and spun the very next corner--the
low amount of polygons used in the track meant that the apron wasn't always a
constant distance from your left side tires, so you might just barely clip the
apron and it'd kick you into a wild spin.  Absolutely atrocious.

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