rec.autos.simulators

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 05:06:04

So, do they exist ?

I've seen the question posted in here a few times but I don't think I've
ever seen a positive answer, at least not a positive yes :-)

The reason I'm looking for one is that I'm an OverClocker, I can't help
myself, and I just feel that the response I'm getting from my car is
changing with the FSB speed

It might be my imagination of course, but since I've been around the
block a few times I kinda doubt it, and now I've changed MoBo in my
racing PC, again, which again runs at another FSB compared to my
previous one, currently running at 215 Mhz vs 148 Mhz a few days ago

Having a known constant here would help, not OC'ing would solve that I
suppose but those of you who dabble in this knows how difficult that is
:-), I have an old Thrustmaster ACM card on the shelf here but no ISA
slot to drop it into

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Haqsa** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:38:09

Yes, on most PCI sound cards. ;o)

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:39:08

> Yes, on most PCI sound cards. ;o)

Smartass.....:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:49:26

> On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:39:08 +0200, Goy Larsen

> >Smartass.....:-)

> Yea, but you must admit he is right. Both a PCI soundcard with
> gameport and PCI gamecard run at 33.3mhz on the PCI bus.
> You don't have a soundcard with a gameport?

Yes I do, and yes, they both run on the speed of the PCI bus, however,
unlike a soundcard, a gamecard has the ability to adjust the speed
setting on the game port (probably not the best technical explanation),
meaning that no matter what kind of speed your MoBo is running, or for
that matter what kind of MoBo you are running, the values can be
adjusted to be identical from one Comp to the next

Like I said, I could be imagining things here, but I seem to notice a
difference and it's annoying when you put that much effrt into creating
a setup and then have to readjust those same setups when you rebuild
your PC, which I do at least a couple of times a year

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **None** » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:37:40

resources.com:

So shouldn't you have a new USB FF steering wheel by now?

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 02:34:06

> resources.com:
> > [...]
> > difference and it's annoying when you put that much effrt into creating
> > a setup and then have to readjust those same setups when you rebuild
> > your PC, which I do at least a couple of times a year

> So shouldn't you have a new USB FF steering wheel by now?

No, I have a very good wheel, as well as probably the best pedals money
can buy

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:02:15

Have you ever tried one of those gameport to USB converters? USB would get
you out of the speed sensitivity thing entirely.

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:48:58

> Have you ever tried one of those gameport to USB converters? USB would get
> you out of the speed sensitivity thing entirely.

No I haven't, tried a generic one that didn't work, those other ones
I've never found over here......I'm actually considering rewiring my
wheel and pedals using a cheap USB wheel's electronics, but that's one
for the long winter evenings, now I'm looking for a quick and easy
solution :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Roger Squire** » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:51:25

Ok, perhaps you need a newer motherboard, one that has a locked pci speed,
like the abit nf7-s. I use a Santacruz with a T2 gameport wheel, and love
the precise wheel response I get with a fast system.

rms

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 03:03:13

> I used to have a CH gamecard that was speed adjustable but I don't
> think they all are/were.

I beliive there where ISA aswell, just like the Thrustmaster cards...

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 03:06:39

> Ok, perhaps you need a newer motherboard, one that has a locked pci speed,
> like the abit nf7-s. I use a Santacruz with a T2 gameport wheel, and love
> the precise wheel response I get with a fast system.

My current MoBo has that, ASUS P4C800 :-), but even so my setups "feel"
different, I can't put my finger on it and describe it, but they just
don't have the same feel and my laptimes seems to reflect this, could be
psychological of course...

Anyways, it's probably a moot point since nobody seems to know of a PCI
game card, this lot usually responds quickly to requests like this :-),
so I'll assume that I need to look at other ways

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 03:44:16

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:06:39 +0200, Goy Larsen

> >Anyways, it's probably a moot point since nobody seems to know of a PCI
> >game card,

> There is/was one and it is called PDPI Lightning L4 gamecard. I know
> they made an ISA one but I thought they later came out with a PCI
> version. Maybe my memory is faulty too though. :-)

Right......PDPI it is then

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:00:43

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:06:39 +0200, Goy Larsen

> >Anyways, it's probably a moot point since nobody seems to know of a PCI
> >game card,

> There is/was one and it is called PDPI Lightning L4 gamecard. I know
> they made an ISA one but I thought they later came out with a PCI
> version. Maybe my memory is faulty too though. :-)

Says "discontiued" on the Act Labs site....pic looks like an ISA card
though, oh well, at least we tried :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Ken MacKa** » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:00:58

> > My current MoBo has that, ASUS P4C800 :-), but even so my setups "feel"
> different, I can't put my finger on it and describe it, but they just
> don't have the same feel and my laptimes seems to reflect this, could be
> psychological of course...

Have you tested your setup using something that gives raw values, like DXtweak2
or the GPL cal menu. Check the axis ranges and see if the pointer is smoother
(less jitters). That would give you some numbers to compare to tell if its your
system or just you. ;-)

BTW, you do recalibrate your wheel & pedals after making changes to your system,
right?

Ken

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:46:48

> P.S. Here's a review of the L4 (ISA) just for kicks. Gordon got
> lambasted over this review because of his claims of massive frame rate
> increases by using L4. Yea sure, standard gameport takes up 50% cpu
> utilization according to him.

> http://www.combatsim.com/archive/htm/htm_arc3/l4-new.htm

LOL, yeah, I remember reading similar claims

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

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