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I can't answer your question, but there was a demo at last years E3.

Patience will tell, rudeness wont.

There was a preview at E3 last year. Some posters here and at the High
Gear forum actually tried it.

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Olav K. Malmin
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I don't think I was being especially rude.
So, there was a playable preview at LAST year's E3, but nothing this year ?
That doesn't strike anyone as being slightly odd ?

It's been said that Empire didn't want to foot the cost at E3 just for one
game.  Don't know if that's true or not but sounds like a good reason to me.

I don't think they'd produce all those screenshots in 3d studio or something
just for a laugh.  They clearly are working on a real game, and judging by
the quality of the screenshots, when they do finish, someone will definitely
want to publish it (no reason to imagine that wouldn't be Empire).

It's *not* time for them to put up or shut up, it's time for them to carry
on working on the game until it's finished.  They can't release it until
it's done.  I think we've all had enough of publishers throwing out
unfinished games.  Papy took 2 years on GPL with a much bigger team, so if
it takes another year or more for WSC then that's fair enough.

Stick GPL on, and start getting impatient about WSC the middle of next year.

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Olav K. Malmin
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If they release the game .. GREAT for us.. if they do not, we do not lose
anything.

So yes.. I think it was being kind of rude

That's second-hand info, though. From a good source, granted, but it's
still no substitute.

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Agreed up to a point. But remember Daikatana - years of delay, years of
"it'll be done when it's done", years of "it has to be perfect"... and
it was a huge disappointment[1]. GP3 too, to some extent.

To be honest, I do think it would be sensible to "do a GPL" and release
a demo early, even if it's just one (unfinished) car at one
(unfinished) track. It was that Glen demo that made me wait for GPL
happily - without it, I think I miught have got rather frustrated. I
don't think releasing nothing more than pictures until the game is
almost released is very sensible.

[1] At least, according to those who know - FPS games are not my forte.

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"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

There have been posts in here about the amount of hype over WSC, where is
this hype, its certainly not coming from Empire, and if the WestBros wanted
to hype the product as much as some people think we would have seen an all
singing all dancing web site by now, prasing the wonders of the game. The
fact that we have seen a handful of shots since last ECTS dosnt come across
as over hype to me. And to those who disagree and are annoyed by the so
called 'hype' my I suggest you just dont read it. But to read it and then
complain about reading it.

Anyway my 2cents worth :)

I'd be happy to hear and see *nothing* about WSC for five more years if
that's what it takes.

It occurs to me -- being involved in recent discussion about paying for
GPL patches -- that I'd even invest a $ or two a month to subsidise the
Wests' development work if they got dumped for taking too long. It
wouldn't take too many gamblers like me to finance a small team....
assuming that team doesn't have a taste for caviar, champagne and
showgirls (though they can borrow my copy of the video if they want,
it's only worn in a couple of places).

Andrew McP

Sadly he was advertising Wash n Go, not his game design skills.

Andrew McP

I agree though, i'd love to see a WSC demo, and by all accounts they intend
to release one.  If the game will be done mid-2002, then I think it's
realistic to expect a demo around the end of this year.  Who knows though?
You could well have to add another year onto both those dates.

Just on Daikatana, which I still haven't seen btw, I think it got hyped
because John Romero had worked on Doom, but he was only one of four
programmers on Doom, and John Carmack wrote the engine.  I'd say FPS games
and sims are different though.  It's hard to look at screenshots of an FPS
and say how good it's likely to be (Half-life looked pretty average from the
screenshots) but it's easy to look at the WSC screenshots and see at least
tremendous attention to detail.  Hopefully that detail will be present in
the physics model as well.

Andrew McP