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N2003 setup problem

Fan1

N2003 setup problem

by Fan1 » Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:18:33

I have been battling a chronic power-on understeer problem and really
would like some help.  I have tried springs, shocks, weight, and can't
get rid of it. As soon as I hit the power I get a plow that won't
stop.
Any suggestions?
Larr

N2003 setup problem

by Larr » Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:14:16

Increase right-rear Spring Rate.
Raise Track Bar.
Increase RR tire pressure.
Lower rear shock compression.
Lower front shock rebound.

One at a time :)

I'm sure there are 100 other ways.

-Larry


Fan1

N2003 setup problem

by Fan1 » Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:22:29


>Increase right-rear Spring Rate.
>Raise Track Bar.
>Increase RR tire pressure.
>Lower rear shock compression.
>Lower front shock rebound.

>One at a time :)

>I'm sure there are 100 other ways.

>-Larry

Give it a try, thanks!!
Norman Blac

N2003 setup problem

by Norman Blac » Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:52:47

Like Larry said plus consider.

If your problem is "big" then an adjustment that corrects will probably
increase overall looseness so some other complimentary adjustment(s)
might be necessary.

If you are understeering then your fronts are not gripping properly to
turn the car or the left rear has too much grip and is making you push.

You can try lowering the left rear spring rate, which will increase the
rear split. Maybe you do not have enough nose weight and the weight
transfer under power is unloading the front too much.

If you like everything else on the car I would lower the left rear
spring. This can be a strong change and you might need to put a touch of
wedge back in if the effect is too much. However a 25lb change can
probably stand alone.

BTW What are your tire temps?

Norman


Dave Henri

N2003 setup problem

by Dave Henri » Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:31:40

"Norman Black" <
    Have you updated the sim to version 1.201?   Once that is done, the
pre-patch setups will behave poorly.

I'll let the smart guys answer the springy thingy questions.

dave henrie

Fan1

N2003 setup problem

by Fan1 » Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:00:02

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:31:40 -0600, Dave Henrie


>"Norman Black" <

>> BTW What are your tire temps?

>> Norman

>    Have you updated the sim to version 1.201?   Once that is done, the
>pre-patch setups will behave poorly.

>I'll let the smart guys answer the springy thingy questions.

>dave henrie

Let me answer both Norman and you, Dave.
Temps range from 195LF to 250RF, rears in between.  Depending on how
hard I push the plowing condition, I can force the front temps over
300 but I monitor them and manage it.

Yes I am at ver 1201, I have had the problem both before and after.

Now here is the rest of the story - I use a joystick. For many reasons
I use it rather than a wheel. And, at this point I prefer it to a
wheel.  With a joystick I know there are limitations on sim
interaction and throttle control.  Up to this point I have put it off
to the fact that the throttle is either 0 or 100%.  I hoped that there
was a way to overcome the push and bypass the input method.

Hope you guys don't dismiss me because of the joystick......

Dave Henri

N2003 setup problem

by Dave Henri » Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:11:27


4ax.com:

  nope.   Have you tried adjusting the linear settins in the controls
options.  Fully linear is more for wheels.  You might want to move the
slider all or part of the way to the left, (the negative side)
I had to hunt around for the linear slider, it's in the advanced section of
the controls menus.

dh

Sting3

N2003 setup problem

by Sting3 » Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:52:49

I think I can see your problem, your using a button for a throttle?

I cant dismiss you for using a joystick, but I cant for the life of me
figure out how to setup a racing automobile that as far as acceleration &
braking only has 2 possible input positions, (full)ON and (completely)OFF.
I cant imagine racing a car with a stuck throttle, and using switch to allow
the engine to run, and as I come to the corner I let off the switch and the
engine dies, I tap another switch and the brakes come on at some pre
determined rate or pressure...  of complete lockup -minus the "driving aids"
modulation of them.

Need for speed, on the other hand, was created just for this kind of
thing...


> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:31:40 -0600, Dave Henrie

>> "Norman Black" <

>>> BTW What are your tire temps?

>>> Norman

>>    Have you updated the sim to version 1.201?   Once that is done,
>> the pre-patch setups will behave poorly.

>> I'll let the smart guys answer the springy thingy questions.

>> dave henrie

> Let me answer both Norman and you, Dave.
> Temps range from 195LF to 250RF, rears in between.  Depending on how
> hard I push the plowing condition, I can force the front temps over
> 300 but I monitor them and manage it.

> Yes I am at ver 1201, I have had the problem both before and after.

> Now here is the rest of the story - I use a joystick. For many reasons
> I use it rather than a wheel. And, at this point I prefer it to a
> wheel.  With a joystick I know there are limitations on sim
> interaction and throttle control.  Up to this point I have put it off
> to the fact that the throttle is either 0 or 100%.  I hoped that there
> was a way to overcome the push and bypass the input method.

> Hope you guys don't dismiss me because of the joystick......

Larr

N2003 setup problem

by Larr » Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:51:32

Blasphemy!

:)

-Larry


> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:31:40 -0600, Dave Henrie

> Now here is the rest of the story - I use a joystick.

Larr

N2003 setup problem

by Larr » Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:52:51

You've never driven an old VW Bug, have you :)

-Larry


> I think I can see your problem, your using a button for a throttle?

> I cant dismiss you for using a joystick, but I cant for the life of me
> figure out how to setup a racing automobile that as far as acceleration &
> braking only has 2 possible input positions, (full)ON and (completely)OFF.

B Forbe

N2003 setup problem

by B Forbe » Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:10:48


    Last 2 back-to-front?


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