rec.autos.simulators

Last night we had a sitaution we haven't seen before. One car was 2
laps down. He was the only car off the lead lap. A caution came out and
he proceeded as outlined above. However, when we lined up for the
restart, he said that he was a lap down and should line up inside the
leader. We told him to go to the back and EOLL.

Anyone in a league care to offer their thoughts?

   Isn't that the way the Lucky Dog works?  You get ONE lap back, not a
free pass to front.  The fact he was two laps down  should mean he would
need two lucky dog situations to regain his lead lap status...provided he
isn't lapped again before the 2nd LD.

dave henrie

  He's still one lap down.  So he should line up inside of the front row.
He then has the opportunity to try and race himself back onto the lead lap
by passing the leader and staying in front til another yellow.  But he can
also sit back and wait cuz he knows if there IS one more yellow, he also
gets his 2nd lap back.

dh

: Our league uses the LD rule. We implement it by having the LD enter
: pitroad at a speed above the pit road limit and then either stop for
: repairs, or wait for the "GO" sign at pit exit. this gives the drivers
: an "End of Longest line" penalty. Upon going green, an admin will give
: the LD a lap back. Works pretty well.
:
: Last night we had a sitaution we haven't seen before. One car was 2
: laps down. He was the only car off the lead lap. A caution came out and
: he proceeded as outlined above. However, when we lined up for the
: restart, he said that he was a lap down and should line up inside the
: leader. We told him to go to the back and EOLL.
:
: Anyone in a league care to offer their thoughts?

I was under the impression that the lucky dog rule only applies to a car one
lap down.

If he just got one lap back (out of two)...he should go to the EOLL.When
you get the lucky dog as a 2 lap down or more car (yes,they go to the
first car a lap or more down....so a 2 lap down car can get a lucky
dog)....you don't automatically get to pull up to the inside on the
ensuing restart.You would however get to do that on the next caution
flag....but by then,if no one is put a lap down,he'd get another lucky
dog and be back on the lead lap anyways,right?

Phil

dave henrie

:
: > The LD guy always lines up at the end of the longest line. He DOES NOT
: > line up in the lapped lines, low.
: >
: > Phil
: >

: >
: >>I get that part. But the issue is a bit unique. Typically, in real
: >>racing, the LD is only 1 lap down and goes to the EOLL. Lapped traffic
: >>lines up inside the leaders. But in our case, the LD was multiple laps
: >>down AND the only car off the lead lap. So when we go to restart, where
: >>do we put him?
: >
:
:  But if the Lucky Dog is still one lap down,  why would he go to the end
: of the longest line? That would give him either only half a lap...or a lap
: and a half.   Boy,  I guess I'd better pay more attention when Nascar
makes
: new rules.
:  Biffle got at least 3 lucky dogs at Atlanta(I think it was there) did he
: always go to the Back of the Longest Line or did he line up as a lapped
car
: on the inside lane?

Found this over on JaySki.  It was a Q&A interview with John Darby, Cup
Series Director

Re: How will a car be repositioned in the lineup when it gets a lap back?

Darby: The way that procedure'll work is number one, everybody needs to
understand that it's the highest scored position not on the lead lap. It
won't be the car closest to the leader. In other words, if there's 21 cars
on the lead lap, the competitor that'll be affected by receiving that lap
back will be the 22nd on the scoreboard, okay? Now the way that will be
done, is that lineup will be compiled and that position will be decided
before pit road opens, so that if that competitor is a lap down, he still
pits with the lap-down cars and exits with the lap-down cars. Before we
resume the race, we will move that competitor around the pace car and to the
tail end of the lead lap. He will not be able to advance any scored
positions. What'll happen is he will receive one lap back. And that
competitor may two laps down, may be four laps down. It'll be the first car
not on the lead lap.

:




::
:: > The LD guy always lines up at the end of the longest line. He DOES NOT
:: > line up in the lapped lines, low.
:: >
:: > Phil
:: >

:: >
:: >>I get that part. But the issue is a bit unique. Typically, in real
:: >>racing, the LD is only 1 lap down and goes to the EOLL. Lapped traffic
:: >>lines up inside the leaders. But in our case, the LD was multiple laps
:: >>down AND the only car off the lead lap. So when we go to restart, where
:: >>do we put him?
:: >
::
::  But if the Lucky Dog is still one lap down,  why would he go to the end
:: of the longest line? That would give him either only half a lap...or a
lap
:: and a half.   Boy,  I guess I'd better pay more attention when Nascar
: makes
:: new rules.
::  Biffle got at least 3 lucky dogs at Atlanta(I think it was there) did he
:: always go to the Back of the Longest Line or did he line up as a lapped
: car
:: on the inside lane?
:
: Found this over on JaySki.  It was a Q&A interview with John Darby, Cup
: Series Director
:
: Re: How will a car be repositioned in the lineup when it gets a lap back?
:
: Darby: The way that procedure'll work is number one, everybody needs to
: understand that it's the highest scored position not on the lead lap. It
: won't be the car closest to the leader. In other words, if there's 21 cars
: on the lead lap, the competitor that'll be affected by receiving that lap
: back will be the 22nd on the scoreboard, okay? Now the way that will be
: done, is that lineup will be compiled and that position will be decided
: before pit road opens, so that if that competitor is a lap down, he still
: pits with the lap-down cars and exits with the lap-down cars. Before we
: resume the race, we will move that competitor around the pace car and to
the
: tail end of the lead lap. He will not be able to advance any scored
: positions. What'll happen is he will receive one lap back. And that
: competitor may two laps down, may be four laps down. It'll be the first
car
: not on the lead lap.

Clarification:  Interview took place in 2003.  I don't know if Darby still
has that position.

Did anyone not watch the Bristol race?  If you would've watched the
beginning....this thread would never have started.  He starts at the
inside of the leader...it played out the same scenario at the
beginning of the Bristol race....did it not?

I am guessing that you mean JJ cutting a tire and losing laps right
from the start. I knew it happened, but not how the LD played out as it
wasn't a concern of mine at the time.

And I still suspect that this is unresolved as there have been posts
purporting BOTH scenarios to be correct.

This is still correct.  The LD *always* goes to the end of the longest
line, regardless of how many laps down he was when he got it.  The
only way he would line up on the inside is if the inside happened to
be the longest line (there are more cars 1+ laps down then on the lead
lap).

As to another question posted here, if there are no cars one lap down,
then the car closest to the leader two laps down gets it, etc on back
until someone eligible gets it.