Read the manual...
Just like in real life you are required to qualify and start the race with a
full tank of fuel. The only time you can fill less than completely full is
during a pit stop during the race, the only time this would be beneficial
would be late in the race when needing a "splash and go" at which point the
crew chief would already automatically be doing that anyway...
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>> Is it just me or is it greyed out in everyones game? I dont' need 22
>> gallons of gas for an 18 lap race or so! how do you get it (and the
>> weight) down???
>Read the manual...
>Just like in real life you are required to qualify and start the race with a
>full tank of fuel. The only time you can fill less than completely full is
>during a pit stop during the race, the only time this would be beneficial
>would be late in the race when needing a "splash and go" at which point the
>crew chief would already automatically be doing that anyway...
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<<Something tells me that Nascar is the only racing series to require
such a ludicrous rule... No one else that I can think of does.>>
There's no rule in NASCAR which states the teams must qualify on a full
tank of fuel. The reason the teams do that is common sense, though... it's
the easiest way to get the car up to the minimum weight specifications
without adding ballast to the car.
Nick
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> <<Something tells me that Nascar is the only racing series to require
>such a ludicrous rule... No one else that I can think of does.>>
> There's no rule in NASCAR which states the teams must qualify on a full
>tank of fuel. The reason the teams do that is common sense, though... it's
>the easiest way to get the car up to the minimum weight specifications
>without adding ballast to the car.
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> <<Something tells me that Nascar is the only racing series to require
>such a ludicrous rule... No one else that I can think of does.>>
> There's no rule in NASCAR which states the teams must qualify on a full
>tank of fuel. The reason the teams do that is common sense, though... it's
>the easiest way to get the car up to the minimum weight specifications
>without adding ballast to the car.
> Nick
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<<Surely that would mean that after qualifying, and having used fuel to
do so, the car would now be under the minimum weight???? Unless you can top
up again before going to scrutineering?>>
Yes. When they go back through inspection, the car is filled with gas,
the tires are brought to the Goodyear recommended pressure, etc.
Nick
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<<Whoa.. hold on here a second! Minimum weight is generally taken
before and at the end of the race to ensure that it meets it going into and
coming out of the race.>>
They test before and after qualifying, too. They check weight, spoiler
angle, valence ground clearance, etcetera.
<<As far as I have ever read in the various rulebooks these weights
don't change based on how much gas is in the car. They are just a dead set
rule: IE: If it has to weigh 2,500lbs at
the beginning of the race it also has to weigh 2,500lbs AFTER the race as it
pulls off the track.>>
I never said the car had to have a full tank of gas. I said a full tank
of gas was the easiest way to get the car up to weight. It also helps
handling. When stock cars get a little less weight in the rear of the car,
the weight distribution causes the car to push a little more into the
corners and get a little more loose off (more weight on the front tires).
<<This doesn't mean 'you can pull it off the track, add gas, then weigh
it. Hence the minimum weight is set.>>
Yes it does. The sanctioning body fills the car with gas when they
weigh it. If it's over, they don't care. Now, the weight also includes the
weight of the driver in the interest of "parity" for drivers such as Jimmy
Spencer, etc. It has made no difference, though.
<<That 22 gallon tank weighs in 145.2-149.6lbs not counting that in the
carb, fuel line, etc. That is a heck of a jump from the minimum weight IF
they needed the ballast to get it there in the first place.>>
They use the weight of the fuel to get to the minimum weight, though.
It makes sense when you consider that. The first place the cars head is to
the gas pumps before they get on the scale.
The bring up the tire pressure now, too. A few years ago, the #6, #24 &
#99 all finished in the top five at the February Richmond race (1996, I
believe). They were all 1/8" under the minimum ride height. Jack Roush told
them to bring the cars to Goodyear's recommended tire pressure, then measure
the cars. They were fine after that. Apparently, they had sat in the cold so
long before post-race inspection that the pressure when drastically down...
typical of even a street radial tire.
Nick
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> >> Is it just me or is it greyed out in everyones game? I dont' need 22
> >> gallons of gas for an 18 lap race or so! how do you get it (and the
> >> weight) down???
> >Read the manual...
> >Just like in real life you are required to qualify and start the race
with a
> >full tank of fuel. The only time you can fill less than completely full
is
> >during a pit stop during the race, the only time this would be beneficial
> >would be late in the race when needing a "splash and go" at which point
the
> >crew chief would already automatically be doing that anyway...
> Something tells me that Nascar is the only racing series to require
> such a ludicrous rule... No one else that I can think of does.
Joel Willstein
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a rule. If it wasn't do you really
think that they would just put all that weight in the middle of the rear to
make min wieight specs. No way. They would distribute as needed.
Joel Willstein
> <<Surely that would mean that after qualifying, and having used fuel
to
>do so, the car would now be under the minimum weight???? Unless you can top
>up again before going to scrutineering?>>
> Yes. When they go back through inspection, the car is filled with gas,
>the tires are brought to the Goodyear recommended pressure, etc.
> Nick
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> <<Surely that would mean that after qualifying, and having used fuel to
>do so, the car would now be under the minimum weight???? Unless you can top
>up again before going to scrutineering?>>
> Yes. When they go back through inspection, the car is filled with gas,
>the tires are brought to the Goodyear recommended pressure, etc.
> Nick
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> <<Whoa.. hold on here a second! Minimum weight is generally taken
>before and at the end of the race to ensure that it meets it going into and
>coming out of the race.>>
> They test before and after qualifying, too. They check weight, spoiler
>angle, valence ground clearance, etcetera.
It can't be the easiest way to get it 'up to weight' since if it is
empty and the empty weight is below minimum then the car is illegal.
There is no way around that. It can be used for weight distribution as
you mention and even then the best designs limit the amount of change
that the altered levels will affect and will usually try to put it as
close to the middle as they can.
I can't recall ever seeing the sanctioning body go up to the car with
a fuel tank to fill it after a race or after qualifying. Where in the
hell did you get this?
It still goes back to the simple logic that if the car is not able to
make the weight when empty (the empty weight is what is considered)
then it won't be legal for racing. If they take the weight of the car
as it comes off the track and it's gas is down enough that the weight
is now below minimum that car is cheating and is DQ'd. Game over. The
first place the cars go is to impound where NO one but the tech
inspection team can touch them save for the odd winning car that goes
to Victory Lane. Even then the car is watched carefully to ensure no
one does anything to it.
That is technically quite stupid. If they raced with the vehicles
under minimum ride height as they came off the track they should be
DQ'd. Period. End of discussion. If it took tinkering after the fact
to make them legal then the tech team inspection is a farce. That's
like saying "Hey, you just won the race but yoru car is 400lbs under
minimum weight! Here, have some ballast and bring it up to minimum!".
Then again, if this is actually the way that Nascar works it's no
wonder it deserves the reputation of the WWF/WCW of the autoracing
world.
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