>It's like trying to explain something to a rock.
~daxe
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> >Mykael wrote...
> > <<Something tells me that Nascar is the only racing series to
require
> >such a ludicrous rule... No one else that I can think of does.>>
> > There's no rule in NASCAR which states the teams must qualify on a
full
> >tank of fuel. The reason the teams do that is common sense, though...
it's
> >the easiest way to get the car up to the minimum weight specifications
> >without adding ballast to the car.
> Whoa.. hold on here a second! Minimum weight is generally taken before
> and at the end of the race to ensure that it meets it going into and
> coming out of the race. As far as I have ever read in the various
> rulebooks these weights don't change based on how much gas is in the
> car. They are just a dead set rule: IE: If it has to weigh 2,500lbs at
> the beginning of the race it also has to weigh 2,500lbs AFTER the race
> as it pulls off the track. This doesn't mean 'you can pull it off the
> track, add gas, then weigh it. Hence the minimum weight is set.
I've been following NASCAR for 20 years and am aware of the rules regarding
the level of fuel required for qualifying sessions and weight purposes.
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> >Mykael wrote...
> > <<Whoa.. hold on here a second! Minimum weight is generally taken
> >before and at the end of the race to ensure that it meets it going into
and
> >coming out of the race.>>
> > They test before and after qualifying, too. They check weight,
spoiler
> >angle, valence ground clearance, etcetera.
> Yes, they check weight. They also take it at the end of the race. If
> it required full tanks to get to minimum weight then obviously the car
> would be below minimum weight after qualifying or racing. Hence, no,
> that's not a logical reason. Fuel levels don't play into qualification
> rules that I am aware of.
> > <<As far as I have ever read in the various rulebooks these weights
> >don't change based on how much gas is in the car. They are just a dead
set
> >rule: IE: If it has to weigh 2,500lbs at
> >the beginning of the race it also has to weigh 2,500lbs AFTER the race as
it
> >pulls off the track.>>
> > I never said the car had to have a full tank of gas. I said a full
tank
> >of gas was the easiest way to get the car up to weight. It also helps
> >handling. When stock cars get a little less weight in the rear of the
car,
> >the weight distribution causes the car to push a little more into the
> >corners and get a little more loose off (more weight on the front tires).
> It can't be the easiest way to get it 'up to weight' since if it is
> empty and the empty weight is below minimum then the car is illegal.
> There is no way around that. It can be used for weight distribution as
> you mention and even then the best designs limit the amount of change
> that the altered levels will affect and will usually try to put it as
> close to the middle as they can.
> > <<This doesn't mean 'you can pull it off the track, add gas, then
weigh
> >it. Hence the minimum weight is set.>>
> > Yes it does. The sanctioning body fills the car with gas when they
> >weigh it. If it's over, they don't care. Now, the weight also includes
the
> >weight of the driver in the interest of "parity" for drivers such as
Jimmy
> >Spencer, etc. It has made no difference, though.
> I can't recall ever seeing the sanctioning body go up to the car with
> a fuel tank to fill it after a race or after qualifying. Where in the
> hell did you get this?
It's like trying to explain something to a rock.
You should just accept the fact that you can't change the level of fuel for
those instances and that no one else can either so they're not getting away
with something that you're not...
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>> >Mykael wrote...
>> > <<Whoa.. hold on here a second! Minimum weight is generally taken
>> >before and at the end of the race to ensure that it meets it going into
>and
>> >coming out of the race.>>
>> > They test before and after qualifying, too. They check weight,
>spoiler
>> >angle, valence ground clearance, etcetera.
>> Yes, they check weight. They also take it at the end of the race. If
>> it required full tanks to get to minimum weight then obviously the car
>> would be below minimum weight after qualifying or racing. Hence, no,
>> that's not a logical reason. Fuel levels don't play into qualification
>> rules that I am aware of.
>> > <<As far as I have ever read in the various rulebooks these weights
>> >don't change based on how much gas is in the car. They are just a dead
>set
>> >rule: IE: If it has to weigh 2,500lbs at
>> >the beginning of the race it also has to weigh 2,500lbs AFTER the race as
>it
>> >pulls off the track.>>
>> > I never said the car had to have a full tank of gas. I said a full
>tank
>> >of gas was the easiest way to get the car up to weight. It also helps
>> >handling. When stock cars get a little less weight in the rear of the
>car,
>> >the weight distribution causes the car to push a little more into the
>> >corners and get a little more loose off (more weight on the front tires).
>> It can't be the easiest way to get it 'up to weight' since if it is
>> empty and the empty weight is below minimum then the car is illegal.
>> There is no way around that. It can be used for weight distribution as
>> you mention and even then the best designs limit the amount of change
>> that the altered levels will affect and will usually try to put it as
>> close to the middle as they can.
>> > <<This doesn't mean 'you can pull it off the track, add gas, then
>weigh
>> >it. Hence the minimum weight is set.>>
>> > Yes it does. The sanctioning body fills the car with gas when they
>> >weigh it. If it's over, they don't care. Now, the weight also includes
>the
>> >weight of the driver in the interest of "parity" for drivers such as
>Jimmy
>> >Spencer, etc. It has made no difference, though.
>> I can't recall ever seeing the sanctioning body go up to the car with
>> a fuel tank to fill it after a race or after qualifying. Where in the
>> hell did you get this?
>They go to the actual Tosco fuel pumps present at every track WC (Winston
>Cup) races at...they then open the trunk lid and fill the tank through the
>lid on top of the fuel cell...they rarely show this on TV because quite
>frankly it's not very high on the e***ment scale.
>It's like trying to explain something to a rock.
>You should just accept the fact that you can't change the level of fuel for
>those instances and that no one else can either so they're not getting away
>with something that you're not...
So a clever team could run their car lighter than the others for most of
the race and then put a bit more fuel in than is required in the last
stint to finish the race so as to guarantee that the car will be heavy
enough to pass the weight inspection.
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)
No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.
BTW NASCAR also has rules concerning the amount of lead ballast that may be
used, where it may be used and minimum weights (or percentages of total weight)
that must be on each corner. They do more than check the weight they use
scales on all 4 corners of the car.
(Don't use NO***in E-mail)
You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee,
Vigilantes Of Love
