rec.autos.simulators

The VROC site is a technical success, but the racing tends to be more like a
demolition derby. Yeah, it's neat to see half the field go end-over-end in
flames on the first lap, but that's NOT simulated GP racing! And nobody
seems to know how to overtake safely.

Sorry to vent -- I just retired from a Glen event due to frustration with
the Shift-R racing going on. Maybe the answer is private leagues or racing
groups with like-minded racers.

  Doug Gordon

Maybe the answer is to host races at the higher levels. No shift-r is
possible then. Possibly folks would be a lot more cautious without the
shift-r crutch only a keystroke away...

Trips

We are working on some modifications to VROC which will allow you to help
weed out crashing people. Details will follow soon. For the time being you
can always password protect a race and email, or privately chat the password
to the people you know in the VROC forum. To privately chat with someone
double click on their name in the VROC chat room.

Thanks,
John
The APEX - GPL HQ http://gpl.gamestats.com
VROC http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc/

Thats always the case, even on NROS.

On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:55:20 -0700, "John"

The next thing that needs to implemented at VROC is somehow limiting
the # of racers that can join a given race. I've seen many times over
the past week where a host posts a max # of racers, and as the 21st
guy tries to join, most everyone (if not all) boot. This is repeated
time and time again as all 21 try to rejoin the race.

If a host posts a max # of racers, please use the refresh button and
respect his wishes. He knows the limits of his connection and machine.

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Well, right now most GPL online racers are newbies and more used to
racing with AI than error-prone humans, we heard the exact same thing
back in the days at the start of the Nascar online beta hawaii, when
there was also a lot of newbies trying online racing for the first time.

I think with time, people will get more used to driving carefully for
the first lap and not trying to win the race in the first corner.

I was a newbie at this myself a couple of weeks ago when I started
hosting GPL races, and already after such a short time I've noticed
a lessening of the massive pileups, they still occur for sure, but
I now see quite a few races where the starts are not so bad (maybe it's
also because I've started to qualify better).

I think you will always run into this on public servers, maybe
joining a GPL league and racing with the same more experienced opponents
will allow you to get to know certain racer's behaviour and predict
their actions better, as well as increasing the caliber of the racers.

I get frustrated too sometimes, but I try to remember I'm racing
for fun, not career or anything, so I just do the old SHIFT-R and
try to concentrate again and resume the race, then again it does
get frustrating sometimes in certain tracks, when backmarkers fight
to not let you by when you're lapping them, you've been behind for
3-4 corners waiting for them to see the blue flag and make room,
somehow when you finally think they're letting you by they move over
on you and crash you on the last lap... doh!

Oh well, just think Schumacher got the same experience at Spa this year,
and he and Coulthardt had much greater consequences than shift-r :-)

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva

I actually made it into a race tonight and saw the same thing (between
warping). I was smacked around quite a bit. I think a lot of the people who
you are seeing online with GPL are probably new to online racing. It will
just take a little while before they learn that the race isn't won at the
first corner and then things will likely settle down.  :-) Although, if you
read the Papy Cup race reports, the vets were still crashing a lot so the
tricky handling of the cars could have something to do with it.

David G Fisher

Hehe, keep your eyes glues to VROC very soon! ;-)
What you mentioned and more is on its way!!!!

John

Hey Doug, have you ever tried Dega on TEN/NROS?  GPL is tame compared to
that.

Bill / Amish on TEN

Doug Gordon wrote

You need to understand that it's not everybody that has racing abilities
and/or skills of real-life race car drivers, and even less 1967 F1 drivers.

Anybody can buy a PC, a wheel and GPL.  But it's not everybody that is a
good Simracer.

I would guess it's the same in airsims online.  It's not everybody that has
a Joystick and is online "airsiming" that have the abilities and skills of a
F-16 pilot.

Of course, VROC understand your need and will forfeit your demands ;-)

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Hi David:)

Obviously, you're racing the wrong ppl:))
There are leagues up now that I have been racing in, we race pro level,
and the racing is fantastic, and lots of people finish (a very high
percentage, some drop out due to mech. failures, pro level....)
No turn1 messes...

Look for the servers of John Burrowes
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/TeRRoRsPlace/GPL/ , or Randy Maguder (go to
vroc main page). We still need more constant racers, right now I'd say
we're up to 20 people racing *seriously*

Cheers,

Matt K