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>>>>As long as you define "fast" as being "in a straight line" then you
>>>>may be correct, but stick a couple of corners in and all it would see
>>>>of a 2 litre Renault Clio Williams would be the tail lights
>>>>disappearing over the horizon.

>>>That is forever the battle cry of wimpy cars.  Yeah, but I'll beat you
>>>in the corners!!!  What track was that comparo on?

>>That comparison was done on _normal_roads_, you know those things that
>>we all drive every day? You've never seen a Viper come last at Le
>>Mans, but how many times do you drive Le Mans every year? The Clio is
>>no slouch, <5s from 0-60, but it's forte is handling, and it flies
>>around country roads like it's on rails.

>>>I have yet to see a comparison where a Viper
>>>finished last in lap times.  In fact, the Viper GTS was faster around
>>>Willow Springs than an 1100 cc Suzuki motorcycle.  As for sticking in
>>>a couple of corners, does Hockenheim have enough corners for you?

>>No, Hockenheim is an engine track, everyone knows that. The Viper was
>>pitted alongside the Corvette in a "GT" showdown around a circuit in
>>England, good mix of corners and straights. The Porsche Carrera GT was
>>top, a fraction ahead of the Nissan Skyline GT-R. Behind that was
>>Ferrari, Honda NSX, couple of others I don't recall and the Viper
>>bringing up the rear. Comments - damn powerful, handles like a boat
>>and the power is not delivered to the road well.

>That is really funny.   Even though American magazines may not say the
>Viper is the best handling, they consistently get the best lap times
>in the Viper.  Perhaps that comparison is a bit like the one I saw
>where a 911 was being put against an RX-7, an NSX, and several other
>Japanese cars, including the mighty Integra Type R.  Basically in the
>tape, the 911 just drove away, when suddenly on the last sap of the
>race on the straightaway the driver suddenly "loses" it and plows into
>a wall.  The 911 ended up coming in last.

>>That's cause the viper doesn't have ABS....if it did....look out....in
>>MT's annual supercar shootout (last 2 years) the viper was just about
>>the best overall, falling behind only in braking and wet skidpad (it's
>>just too wide..:)

>>>>Geez dude, you quote a 175 line post then add only this?

>>>>> Stock Viper GTS - 1.01....that's from MT....R&T tested .98...

>>>>My thought on the Viper GTS is it looks real nice, but is too large, too
>>>>heavy, and has small brakes.

>>>>Kurt

>>> even if it is 1.01, it still didn't beat a car that is 30K cheaper and
>you
>>>know what's sad? The R2 can out brake the Viper with no problem

>It certainly prevents the wheels locking, even in the dry.

>the only time where ABS actually offers a disadvantage, is on gravel.

>Z.

>> With a 2 to 3 tons boat (all the SUVs), 100 mph is very high

>The latest Aston Martin weighs 2 tonnes, is better equipped than the
>average living room and tops 170mph....in <5 seconds.

>Next! :-)

>Cheers!
>John

>PS - It costs more than the average living room as well, more than the
>average house too. Quite a lot more than the average house... :-)

>Heh. Nope. The germans called it a Porsche, when in fact it wass Swiss
>made...Hell, they even call the McLarens "mercedes", just like the
>saubers..

>Kurt

>> That's cause the viper doesn't have ABS....if it did....look out....in
>> MT's annual supercar shootout (last 2 years) the viper was just about
>> the best overall, falling behind only in braking and wet skidpad (it's
>> just too wide..:)

>> Skidding will stop better in the dry

>Actually, in a perverse twist of logic, the Swiss and Germans pay a huge
>premium for American SUVs and Minivans.  They can't get enough of them.
>I've seen Grand Cherokees listing for the same as Audi S4s, and they are
>selling like hotcakes.

>>>Toyota won Le Mans and Honda have dominated both F1 and CART.

>>Ford won Lemans and Ford has far more world championships than Honda.

>"Ford" in that sense means "Cosworth" who are European (or were until
>Volkswagen sold them just recently).

>Cheers!
>John