>>Yeah US cars are really made for high speed driving, ever seen a Jeep
>>wranglar going at 100 mph on the highway...
>Outside of the U.S. 100mph isn't high speed driving. On my drive to
>work every morning a sizable percentage of cars on the highway are
>doing 100mph or thereabouts.
>Cheers!
>John
Z.
>>I know it's probably a troll, but hey, who really cares. I think that
>>Gran Turismo is a piece-o-crap. Played it only at a friends. Stupid
>>Mad Catz wheel or whatever did not help at all, had to go back to the
>>idiotic game pad. Besides for the slow low-res graphics, I hated the
>>fact that only the Japanese cars could be made fast. Sure, add a
>>turbo or whatever to your CRX, but heaven help you if you want a
>>blower for your Camaro. Oh well, guess they had to make sure that
>>those little rice burners were faster somehow. Oh, and where were the
>>great fun to modify European cars. Who knows?
>Not meaning to troll.. but the problem is the rest of the world laughs
quite
>openly at American cars.
>Sorry,
>Z.
Cheers!
John
Z.
I live in CT, home of SUVs and slow ass grandmas
>>Yeah US cars are really made for high speed driving, ever seen a Jeep
>>wranglar going at 100 mph on the highway...
>Outside of the U.S. 100mph isn't high speed driving. On my drive to
>work every morning a sizable percentage of cars on the highway are
>doing 100mph or thereabouts.
>Cheers!
>John
The Vipers are smooth tho... ORECA do well with them
M
>>>Toyota won Le Mans and Honda have dominated both F1 and CART.
>>Ford won Lemans and Ford has far more world championships than Honda.
>"Ford" in that sense means "Cosworth" who are European (or were until
>Volkswagen sold them just recently).
>Cheers!
>John
As far as performance, it's probably because the laws wouldn't let you produce
a 200mph car with about 10 mpg...
Just an opinion. I'm sorta ANTI-establishment...
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>>>I have yet to see a comparison where a Viper
>>>finished last in lap times. In fact, the Viper GTS was faster around
>>>Willow Springs than an 1100 cc Suzuki motorcycle. As for sticking in
>>>a couple of corners, does Hockenheim have enough corners for you?
>>No, Hockenheim is an engine track, everyone knows that. The Viper was
>>pitted alongside the Corvette in a "GT" showdown around a circuit in
>>England, good mix of corners and straights. The Porsche Carrera GT was
>>top, a fraction ahead of the Nissan Skyline GT-R. Behind that was
>>Ferrari, Honda NSX, couple of others I don't recall and the Viper
>>bringing up the rear. Comments - damn powerful, handles like a boat
>>and the power is not delivered to the road well.
>Good call, is sad that a little Geo Metro can out brake a 70K car
Clark
>>>Geez dude, you quote a 175 line post then add only this?
>>>> Stock Viper GTS - 1.01....that's from MT....R&T tested .98...
>>>My thought on the Viper GTS is it looks real nice, but is too large, too
>>>heavy, and has small brakes.
>>>Kurt
>> even if it is 1.01, it still didn't beat a car that is 30K cheaper and
you
>>know what's sad? The R2 can out brake the Viper with no problem
the only time where ABS actually offers a disadvantage, is on gravel.
Z.
>>In article <363798d3.1490...@news.texas.net>,
>> clark.arc...@DIESPAMMERusa.net (Clark Archer) wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:28:19 GMT, j...@nospam.runrun.demon.co.uk (John
>>>Wallace) wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:02:10 GMT, clark.arc...@DIESPAMMERusa.net
>>>>(Clark Archer) wrote:
>>Let see a stock viper can go what .94 or .96 G, a R2 RX-7 can go 1.00 G so
>>thank you very much. Viper GTS is about 70K, back in 95, the 92 was like
>>47500
>Yep, that Mazda should be faster around a parking lot. Too bad real
>tracks aren't much like parking lots. How about Laguna Seca or even
>Road America. I don't think the RX-7 is going to win either one of
>those. Is the R2 option something like if you get a Viper GTS-R which
>has even more power and better grip?
>Yes, and I am saying that locally we have cars that are much faster
>than that. They of course would not be allowed to run in the battle
>of the imports though because they are not imports.
>>Corners don't go with American cars
>Thank you for proving my point about stereotyping American cars as
>unable to handle being the opinion of the majority of people.
>>>It wouldn't really matter, I have seen Camaros turning high 6s in the
>>>quarter mile. By "slightly" modified I meant nitrous oxide or a
>>>supercharger setup. Believe what you want to, but displacement always
>>>wins. It really is that simple. Take two motors. Modify both to
>>>equal levels. The bigger one makes more torque and more power. There
>>>is a great misconception that American cars do not and/or cannot be
>>>made to handle well if not exceptionally.
>>ahem HELLO DISPLACMENT DON'T MATTER. the Mazda that won in the 91 LeMans
was
>>a 2.6 L NA engine. It was pumping out 655hp so thank you very much. And a
>>twin turbo 93 RX-7 pumps out 255 stock in a 1.3L engine. What do you have
to
>>say huh
>You just don't get it. You are bragging about 9 and 10 second quarter
>mile times with small displacement engines. I am pointing out that
>large displacement engines turn faster quarter miles. The RX-7 stock
>rotary 255 hp is very unimpressive when you realize that it is backed
>up by only 210 lb/ft or so of torque at a sky high RPM. Compare that
>to the stock LS1 motor available in the current Camaro. Much more
>horsepower and much more torque for the Camaro. Yes, the Camaro has a
>bigger motor. Duh.
>>>>Toyota won Le Mans and Honda have dominated both F1 and CART.
>>>Bzzzt! Wrong! Porsche won the '98 race at Le Mans. Toyota may have
>>>won the race before, but when they have won it 16 times, please come
>>>back and say so. Yes, Honda (a favorite company of mine as far as
>>>racing goes) have done their share of dominating the racing world at
>>>one point or another. Let me ask you, who built the motor which
>>>dominated F1 before Honda entered? (I'll give you a hint: it's a
>>>German manufacturer whose name starts with the letter 'P'). Luckily
>>>for Honda, they did not have their engine penalized in CART for having
>>>too much power. Honda, I would claim, is the exception rather than
>>>the rule for Japanese companies in racing.
>>Honduh?? racing?? in reverse maybe, since when did real race cars become
>>FWD?
>Well, now you are just being ignorant. Honda engines are at the
>forefront of racing, having won the CART Manufacturer's Championship 2
>out of the last three engines. And unlike Ford and Mercedes, they
>don't hire out the work.
>>Dude Honduhs are maden't to be raced. NA 4 bangers aren't going to beat a
>>turbocharged engine
>Yes, I agree. That is why I laugh when that occurs instead of
>"racing" them.
>>You need to visit this guy in FL, he has a 10 sec drag car with full body
>>and full interior, no nitrous. and should i repeat again it is a 1.3 LITER
>>TWIN TURBO. Dynoed at like 400 some horses at the rear wheel
>Wow, not a whole 400 hp to the wheels. There are over a dozen V8
>powered cars owned by people whom I personally know with more power
>than that. I would not be too interested in driving or flying to FL
>to see a 10 second car when there are much faster ones locally.
>>I don't see a stock C4 beat anything out there
>You must not get out much.
>>F355 is one of the slowest of the Ferrari bunch, wanna hop in a F40 or
>>F50...
>Nah, you take the F40, I'll take the Mercedes CLK GTR. Lots of luck.
>>>What does a WRC car have in common with the local boy racer's Integra
>>>with 400 sticker horsepower and 145 rear wheel horsepower?
>>American car company are too slow to even try to run in WRC. The only
>>American car brand in WRC is the Ford Escort RS 2000 (COSSIE), we all know
>>Ford didn't make that car...
>Americans for the most part don't give rat's *ss about WRC. And in
>American racing, Honda has been whooping Cosworth for the past three
>years.
>>>>I have yet to see a comparison where a Viper
>>>>finished last in lap times. In fact, the Viper GTS was faster around
>>>>Willow Springs than an 1100 cc Suzuki motorcycle. As for sticking in
>>>>a couple of corners, does Hockenheim have enough corners for you?
>>>No, Hockenheim is an engine track, everyone knows that. The Viper was
>>>pitted alongside the Corvette in a "GT" showdown around a circuit in
>>>England, good mix of corners and straights. The Porsche Carrera GT was
>>>top, a fraction ahead of the Nissan Skyline GT-R. Behind that was
>>>Ferrari, Honda NSX, couple of others I don't recall and the Viper
>>>bringing up the rear. Comments - damn powerful, handles like a boat
>>>and the power is not delivered to the road well.
>>Good call, is sad that a little Geo Metro can out brake a 70K car
>Oh yeah, like, for sure man. That Geo Metro is one fast car, able to
>strike fear into the hearts of Viper owners everywhere!
>Clark
