rec.autos.simulators

Ronnie,

I noticed that this only occurs for me on the rendition version.  I
was playing some network games over a serial line, and had to load my
non rendition version on the other PC.  On the NON rendition, the
tires did not squeel, but they did on the Rendition version.

I guess it's cool for them to squeel, as long as it isn't producing a
lot of tire wear also.  I would guess that the rendition version is
more realistic.  They probably put the wheel squeel in.  

Keep on racin!

Paul

Do the tires on real race cars, when driven by professional drivers, squeal
at every turn like mine do in N2?

As a fan, you won't notice it a great deal because of the db's of the
car engines.  But I think every honest driver will tell you that when
you push a car to the limit, and drive on the edge, them damn tires are
going to squeal.

Kodo's to Papy for including this in the sim.  Makes it more realistic.

Chasman

I think the Rendition version produces better grip - probably because my
CPU is faster in getting steering updates.  I can drive under an AI car
very low in the corner with the Rendition version but I slip up and hit the
car on the outside with the normal version - unless I back off the
throttle.  I didn't notice more squeal though.
/THansen

The tires scquel in Redintion and Non Redintion modes. The thing that
makes them squel is the fact that you are turning sharper. By turning
sharper you have more tire ware. You need to go into the turn a little
sooner to stop the squeling. In the turns try to keep your car as low as
you can without squeling the tires. If you can't keep the car down in
the turns then I sujest you should go into the turns at less speed. Use
the brake some then get on the gas coming out of the turns. Don't apply
the brakes to much thou just enough to keep you from smacking the wall
and running low in the turns.

The reason that we have them making noise a little earlier is to allow
you to use that as feedback to "feel" how hard the tires are working.
(In real life, you feel that through your hands and the seat of your
pants. Unfortunately affordable force-feedback technology sucks, and
G-force simulators are unavailable...)

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

I DON'T use the Rendition version and have tyre squeal in every turn and on
everytrack.  easiest way to get rid of it is to lower the volume of the
approriate section in the 'Sounds' settings :-)

bk

: [...]
: The reason that we have them making noise a little earlier is to allow
: you to use that as feedback to "feel" how hard the tires are working.
: (In real life, you feel that through your hands and the seat of your
: pants. Unfortunately affordable force-feedback technology sucks, and
: G-force simulators are unavailable...)

: ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

I'll vouch for that. In my real car once, I got to feel the tires working
real hard. I definitely felt it in my pants and I changed them as soon I
got back home!

But on a topical note, I'd like to suggest to Jim that it would be nice
if the tire squeel sounds in the game were of slightly different pitch
depending on if they were the back or the front tires loosing it. When I'm
tweaking a setup and am getting 'close' it can get real hard to tell if
it is the back or the front squeeling around a turn. Certainly in the
real thing the drivers know exactly which tires are the one(s).  Seems
simple to impliment too.  In the next patch? maybe? well? Anybody else
feel this way?

Matt

Happy Lappin'
Wade Tschida

When are you guys going to put "***Sensor Technology" into your sims? ;)

Mike

Greg,

Thanks for the info.  I bet I had different setups on the rendition
-vs- the Non rendition games.  

Paul

Paul

I use the tire squeal to determine if I have the car setup properly. Idealy
there
should be no squeal, except if you slam on the brakes.

I think it was Mark Martin, when asked how much different the in-car
camera was from in the***pit, he said "you don't hear the tires
squeal..."  The reporter asked him when that happened and he said
something like "mine do. all the time..."    that may not be a
word-for-word quote but the general idea is there...

btw, thanks for that part of the program - the feedback is great!