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F1C - needs IE :-(

Kinesi

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Kinesi » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 05:13:02

Just picked up F1C, trying to install it but I required a later version
of IE. WTF?
That's not on the minimum spec.

Anyone know how to install this without installing more IE stuff? Reg
hack.. setup switch etc.
What's the minimum IE version required? - if I have to do this..:-(

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ae

F1C - needs IE :-(

by ae » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 05:17:42

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 20:13:02 GMT, Kinesin


>Just picked up F1C, trying to install it but I required a later version
>of IE. WTF?
>That's not on the minimum spec.

>Anyone know how to install this without installing more IE stuff? Reg
>hack.. setup switch etc.
>What's the minimum IE version required? - if I have to do this..:-(

I have no idea what version of IE is needed or why, but if you haven't
upgraded to 6 yet, you really should anyway.

Andrew.

Kinesi

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Kinesi » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 05:27:09


>>What's the minimum IE version required? - if I have to do this..:-(

> I have no idea what version of IE is needed or why, but if you haven't
> upgraded to 6 yet, you really should anyway.

If I used IE maybe... but I've never used IE on this machine..(or my
last) Mozilla and opera only. Just don't like EA forcing me to install
software I don't want, and don't need.

D/l GTR at the moment anyway..might as well play some N2k3 while i'm
waiting.

cheers

ae

F1C - needs IE :-(

by ae » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 05:32:11

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 20:27:09 GMT, Kinesin


>If I used IE maybe... but I've never used IE on this machine..(or my
>last) Mozilla and opera only. Just don't like EA forcing me to install
>software I don't want, and don't need.

I don't use it much, just for the sites that don't work in Mozilla.

Andrew.

Mike Beaucham

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Mike Beaucham » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 06:43:36

I mean, I can understand the whole anti-microsoft bit... but, if websites
don't work in Mozilla, why use it? Do they all work in IE? I'm using IE 6,
and I haven't had a single website not work...

It's a free browser, and security patches are put out for it all the time.

But yeah, that EA thing about having to have IE6 is pretty silly, although
I'm sure there's some reason for it that we don't know about. I think IE6 is
part of XP's SP1? Maybe F1C needs SP1 installed.. I've had a few games that
needed SP1.. GTA:VC comes to mind..

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com


> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 20:27:09 GMT, Kinesin

> >If I used IE maybe... but I've never used IE on this machine..(or my
> >last) Mozilla and opera only. Just don't like EA forcing me to install
> >software I don't want, and don't need.

> I don't use it much, just for the sites that don't work in Mozilla.

> Andrew.

Doug Elliso

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Doug Elliso » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:13:12


The last website that didnt work for me in Mozilla was the argos.co.uk
website - which has since been updated.

I prefer Mozilla as it's faster, quicker, and the tab system is very veyr
usefull. It's not just an Anti Microsoft thing - in the same way Open Office
isnt an anti-microsoft thing -it's just.. well... FREE and has no paperclip.

Doug

Goy Larse

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Goy Larse » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:07:08


> I mean, I can understand the whole anti-microsoft bit... but, if websites
> don't work in Mozilla, why use it? Do they all work in IE? I'm using IE 6,
> and I haven't had a single website not work...

> It's a free browser, and security patches are put out for it all the time.

Once upon a time, some clever folks sat down and decided some basic
rules for what kind of code and stuff you were supposed to be able to
use in HTML, it was called a "standard", these people, or their
replacements, meet every so often to update these standards as web
browsers and their plug ins evolve, and most browsers adhere to these
standards, as to most tools for making HTML pages

Then along comes MS and says, "standards, we don't need to stinking
standards, we're big and powerful enough to make our own standards", and
so they did, to complement their own web browser they made their own
HTML tool called "FrontPage"

I don't share BG's vision that just because his company is the biggest
and baddest they should be the ones laying down the rules and everyone
else can tag along or be left in the dust, besides, Opera is so much
better than IE will most likely ever be and it would work on 100% of all
sites if people who made web pages would actually stick to standards
laid down for such pages, Opera, as well as several other browsers
follow these standards and web pages made to these standards work
flawlessly in all of these browsers, most of which has better
functionality than IE, Opera for instance has a built in pop up killer
which can be configured to your tastes and uses less resources than IE,
loads pages faster, has a wind/rewind function for quickly going back
and forth between several pages as well as better functionality for
using without a mouse

Without diversity and competition there's no/little progress

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

ae

F1C - needs IE :-(

by ae » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:18:14

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:43:36 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"


>I mean, I can understand the whole anti-microsoft bit... but, if websites
>don't work in Mozilla, why use it? Do they all work in IE? I'm using IE 6,
>and I haven't had a single website not work...

About 95% of sites I encounter work with Mozilla, the rest are
appalling coded by people who don't understand what the standards of
the web should be about. The scandal of the governments ukonline site
is incredible.

I use Mozilla to stick two fingers up at MS, and so I don't have to
put up with pop-up ads.

Andrew.

Mike Beaucham

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Mike Beaucham » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:31:29

The popup killer in Opera is quite good.. I totally agree.

I also agree about the competition thing, it's definately healthy for
everything. My main point was the XP SP1 thing anyways..

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com



> > I mean, I can understand the whole anti-microsoft bit... but, if
websites
> > don't work in Mozilla, why use it? Do they all work in IE? I'm using IE
6,
> > and I haven't had a single website not work...

> > It's a free browser, and security patches are put out for it all the
time.

> Once upon a time, some clever folks sat down and decided some basic
> rules for what kind of code and stuff you were supposed to be able to
> use in HTML, it was called a "standard", these people, or their
> replacements, meet every so often to update these standards as web
> browsers and their plug ins evolve, and most browsers adhere to these
> standards, as to most tools for making HTML pages

> Then along comes MS and says, "standards, we don't need to stinking
> standards, we're big and powerful enough to make our own standards", and
> so they did, to complement their own web browser they made their own
> HTML tool called "FrontPage"

> I don't share BG's vision that just because his company is the biggest
> and baddest they should be the ones laying down the rules and everyone
> else can tag along or be left in the dust, besides, Opera is so much
> better than IE will most likely ever be and it would work on 100% of all
> sites if people who made web pages would actually stick to standards
> laid down for such pages, Opera, as well as several other browsers
> follow these standards and web pages made to these standards work
> flawlessly in all of these browsers, most of which has better
> functionality than IE, Opera for instance has a built in pop up killer
> which can be configured to your tastes and uses less resources than IE,
> loads pages faster, has a wind/rewind function for quickly going back
> and forth between several pages as well as better functionality for
> using without a mouse

> Without diversity and competition there's no/little progress

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

Mike Beaucham

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Mike Beaucham » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:35:23

My friend who in my opinion is a God at DHTML related work (php, javascript,
java, etc...) said that he was having so much problems with other browsers
incompatibility that he didn't even bother coding for other browsers and
just made his page compatible with IE instead of changing code around for it
to work with other browsers. And knowing this guy, I'm pretty sure these
problems weren't from sloppy coding or anything..

FWIW, he recently  redid his main site to work with more browsers.. you can
check it here: http://schillmania.com but some of the projects don't work
with other browsers.

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com


> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:43:36 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"

> >I mean, I can understand the whole anti-microsoft bit... but, if websites
> >don't work in Mozilla, why use it? Do they all work in IE? I'm using IE
6,
> >and I haven't had a single website not work...

> About 95% of sites I encounter work with Mozilla, the rest are
> appalling coded by people who don't understand what the standards of
> the web should be about. The scandal of the governments ukonline site
> is incredible.

> I use Mozilla to stick two fingers up at MS, and so I don't have to
> put up with pop-up ads.

> Andrew.

ae

F1C - needs IE :-(

by ae » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:50:42

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:35:23 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"


>My friend who in my opinion is a God at DHTML related work (php, javascript,
>java, etc...) said that he was having so much problems with other browsers
>incompatibility that he didn't even bother coding for other browsers and
>just made his page compatible with IE instead of changing code around for it
>to work with other browsers. And knowing this guy, I'm pretty sure these
>problems weren't from sloppy coding or anything..

IE does *not* render HTML properly.

Andrew.

Uwe hoover Schuerkam

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Uwe hoover Schuerkam » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:54:15


> I have no idea what version of IE is needed or why, but if you haven't
> upgraded to 6 yet, you really should anyway.

huh? First of all get rid of IE and install some decent browser
like Firebird, then continue to install F1C (it wasn't required
for an install on my machine, running loss98se)

HTH,

Uwe

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Uwe hoover Schuerkam

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Uwe hoover Schuerkam » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:58:18


> the web should be about. The scandal of the governments ukonline site
> is incredible.

Seems like Mr. Blair isn't only GWB's lapdog... ;->

Cheers,

uwe

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ae

F1C - needs IE :-(

by ae » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:41:09

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:54:15 +0200, Uwe hoover Schuerkamp


>huh? First of all get rid of IE and install some decent browser

Erm, you can't get rid of IE - there was a small court case in the
States on that subject I guess you missed.

Andrew.

Goy Larse

F1C - needs IE :-(

by Goy Larse » Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:17:43


> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:54:15 +0200, Uwe hoover Schuerkamp

> >huh? First of all get rid of IE and install some decent browser

> Erm, you can't get rid of IE - there was a small court case in the
> States on that subject I guess you missed.

Actually you can, unless you're concerned with the legal aspects of it,
Win98Lite runs just fine without IE installed :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--


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