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High Grade Pots by Spectrol

Greg Hellman

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Greg Hellman » Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC
pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been
running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they
still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are
a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart
outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime
expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long
run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the
installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not
have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees.

--
Greg Hellmann

"Cause when the feelin's right,
  i'm gonna race all night."

Bill Cranst

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Bill Cranst » Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Whew!  Hard to see how you can find any better pots than those.



AndyCer

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by AndyCer » Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:00:00

For long lasting control, especially for steering, you must consider
both the pots and the means of connection. ECCI pots have typically
lasted two to three years under heavy use conditions. This has been due
primarily to the initial quality and proprietary ECCI enhancements of
the potentionmeters. Regarding basic component quality, the ECCI
enhanced pots we distribute to our customers are the ONLY ones that have
survived our torture tests that simulate years of intense use.

We now announce a new feature that will further enhance ECCI pot
performance, the new ECCI steering pot connector. This enhancement is
the result of our extensive research into factors that lead to
potentiometer failure. To improve our performance even more than our
historical record has evidenced, we are now specifying in our 1999
CDS4000 series steering units, a newly designed flexible machined
aircraft aluminum connector, that is completely rigid in rotation, yet
flexible enough in bending to minimize eccentric loading of the steering
pot. This allows the steering to have the precision and instantaneous
response of a rigid connection, but with the longer life of a flexible,
bendable connector. This new connector is also available as an upgrade
to all previous ECCI systems (except for the very early version of the
original CDS, which has a gear drive pot setup).

All ECCI electrical components including potentiometers are warranted
against failure or control inconsistency for one year, regardless of the
frequency of use. We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be
interested in these components, but these parts are designed
specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI
owners are eligible to purchase them.

Andy Cers
ECCI
htp://www.ecci.net
"Move up to true professional Quality... move up to ECCI"


> Whew!  Hard to see how you can find any better pots than those.



> >Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC
> >pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been
> >running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they
> >still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are
> >a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart
> >outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime
> >expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long
> >run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the
> >installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not
> >have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees.

John Bod

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by John Bod » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds
>available to have done so.

>Hey Andy, wanna race?

>--
>// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- ECCI has
obviously done a lot of research to help provide their customers with
the very best product they can.  The ECCI wheel is much pricier than
the TSW product, so I'm sure that people who would consider buying an
ECCI wheel will be glad to hear that ECCI is so thorough in their
research and testing.  

For those of you who might consider the tone to be "snobbish" or
"arrogant," remember -- ECCI is just trying to keep us informed about
their product, not gloat about their superiority.  This is no
different than a press release from companies like Thrustmaster,
Sierra, or anybody else -- it's just product information wrapped in a
message designed to shed a positve light on the company.  

So give Andy a break, okay?  Beat him up on the track with your TSW if
you must <G>, but don't dog the guy for simply trying to inform us
about the research and development that goes into his product.  

;-)

-- JB

John Bod

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by John Bod » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:26:05 GMT,



>>>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
>>>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds
>>>available to have done so.

>>>Hey Andy, wanna race?

>>I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" --

>But you snipped his comments. Why did you do that?

YOU snipped his, too, for that matter, so what's the difference?  I
did the snipping because I hate to scroll through long messages -- I
consider snipping a courtesy.  

-- JB

John Bod

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by John Bod » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

To help resolve "the great snipping debate, here's the WHOLE thing
<G>:


>For long lasting control, especially for steering, you must consider
>both the pots and the means of connection. ECCI pots have typically
>lasted two to three years under heavy use conditions. This has been due
>primarily to the initial quality and proprietary ECCI enhancements of
>the potentionmeters. Regarding basic component quality, the ECCI
>enhanced pots we distribute to our customers are the ONLY ones that have
>survived our torture tests that simulate years of intense use.

>We now announce a new feature that will further enhance ECCI pot
>performance, the new ECCI steering pot connector. This enhancement is
>the result of our extensive research into factors that lead to
>potentiometer failure. To improve our performance even more than our
>historical record has evidenced, we are now specifying in our 1999
>CDS4000 series steering units, a newly designed flexible machined
>aircraft aluminum connector, that is completely rigid in rotation, yet
>flexible enough in bending to minimize eccentric loading of the steering
>pot. This allows the steering to have the precision and instantaneous
>response of a rigid connection, but with the longer life of a flexible,
>bendable connector. This new connector is also available as an upgrade
>to all previous ECCI systems (except for the very early version of the
>original CDS, which has a gear drive pot setup).

>All ECCI electrical components including potentiometers are warranted
>against failure or control inconsistency for one year, regardless of the
>frequency of use. We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be
>interested in these components, but these parts are designed
>specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI
>owners are eligible to purchase them.

>Andy Cers
>ECCI
>htp://www.ecci.net
>"Move up to true professional Quality... move up to ECCI"


>> Whew!  Hard to see how you can find any better pots than those.



>> >Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC
>> >pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been
>> >running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they
>> >still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are
>> >a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart
>> >outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime
>> >expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long
>> >run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the
>> >installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not
>> >have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees.

>On 13 Apr 1999 18:25:10 PDT,


>>We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be
>>interested in these components, but these parts are designed
>>specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI
>>owners are eligible to purchase them.

>>Andy Cers
>>ECCI

>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds
>available to have done so.

>Hey Andy, wanna race?

>--
>// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- ECCI has
obviously done a lot of research to help provide their customers with
the very best product they can.  The ECCI wheel is much pricier than
the TSW product, so I'm sure that people who would consider buying an
ECCI wheel will be glad to hear that ECCI is so thorough in their
research and testing.  

For those of you who might consider the tone to be "snobbish" or
"arrogant," remember -- ECCI is just trying to keep us informed about
their product, not gloat about their superiority.  This is no
different than a press release from companies like Thrustmaster,
Sierra, or anybody else -- it's just product information wrapped in a
message designed to shed a positve light on the company.  

So give Andy a break, okay?  Beat him up on the track with your TSW if
you must <G>, but don't dog the guy for simply trying to inform us
about the research and development that goes into his product.  

;-)

-- JB

Greg Hellman

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Greg Hellman » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

So, basically, i would have to purchase an ECCI first in order to
obtain these cool pots. Might as well buy the whole thing then,
eh ? Jeez! Good thing you mentioned your website, but shame i am
more than happy with my TSW.



>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
>this snobbish, arrogant company.

rrevved, what model you decided to get and what were the reasons
that made you choose a TSW rather than an ECCI? I did a review of
the TSW Formula '99 at http://www.mgprs2.com. It seems to me that
the company concept of Thomas Enterprises and ECCI is
conspicuously different.

--
Greg Hellmann

John Bod

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by John Bod » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>And you did it again......
>*plonk*
>--
>// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

What can I say -- I'm just in a snippy mood today! <G>  

(And, yes, I did it yet AGAIN!) <VWG>

I did make amends by re-posting the entire set of messages, though, so
that must count for something!

;-)

-- JB

Dave Ma

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Dave Ma » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

[snip]

rrevved, it'd be appreciated if you could include this info in your
mini-review:

- what type of pots will be in your TSW.  Acc. to the Thomas site, the
Stock includes the DK pots?  I'm currently using the RS pots on my
TSW, but would consider upgrading to DK or Spec pots if you or others
feel they're worth it;
- what gameport will you be connecting to (I'm using the PDPI L4 with
their latest drivers);
- if you're driving GPL, what joystick driver (direct input vs.
generic) and linearity settings will you wind up using.

TIA,

Dave
============================
Dave Mack

(remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

John Bod

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by John Bod » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

FWIW, like you, I too am a VERY satisfied owner of a TSW2, so I wasn't
trying to take anything away from them, or to throw any flak at you --
I just wanted to point out that while the ECCI post may have *seemed*
a bit high-and-mighty, I'm sure they were only trying to promote their
products a bit.

See you in Winner's Circle -- along with all the other TSW owners! <G>

-- JB


>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:28:43 GMT,



>>>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:26:05 GMT,



>>>>>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
>>>>>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds
>>>>>available to have done so.

>>>>>Hey Andy, wanna race?

>>>>I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" --

>>>But you snipped his comments. Why did you do that?

>>YOU snipped his, too, for that matter, so what's the difference?  I
>>did the snipping because I hate to scroll through long messages -- I
>>consider snipping a courtesy.  

>>-- JB
>And you did it again......
>*plonk*
>--
>// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

John Bod

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by John Bod » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

If anybody would like to get a look at the Caliba wheel that Thomas
Enterprises is offering as an upgrade, you can see pictures of mine
at:

http://www.iquest.net/~jbodin/tsw2mod.htm

Enjoy!

-- JB

(Notice how I didn't snip anything from this message? <G>)


>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:05:54 +0200,


>>>We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be
>>>interested in these components, but these parts are designed
>>>specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered
>>ECCI
>>>owners are eligible to purchase them.

>>>Andy Cers
>>>ECCI

>>So, basically, i would have to purchase an ECCI first in order to
>>obtain these cool pots. Might as well buy the whole thing then,
>>eh ? Jeez! Good thing you mentioned your website, but shame i am
>>more than happy with my TSW.



>>>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
>>>this snobbish, arrogant company.

>>rrevved, what model you decided to get and what were the reasons
>>that made you choose a TSW rather than an ECCI? I did a review of
>>the TSW Formula '99 at http://www.mgprs2.com. It seems to me that
>>the company concept of Thomas Enterprises and ECCI is
>>conspicuously different.
>I am anxiously awaiting my TSW, which is due to ship in the next
>few days. I ordered the steel-framed TSW stock, with the GT kit
>(t-shape paddle shifters and upgrade wheel). I substituted the blue
>suede Caliba racing kart wheel for the d-shaped suede one. Also, it
>will have the dual-axis switch and the teardrop shifter knob from
>the Formula 99 model. Cost was approx. $695.
>I strongly considered the ECCI wheel, but in the end, I liked the fact
>that the TSW can be easily repaired by -me- , with locally available parts
>should any problems arise. The ECCI wheels look great though, and I
>am sure they are fine, high-quality wheels, in spite of the attitude of
>Mr. Cers..  ;) .
>Also, I -really- liked the Caliba wheel that is available with the TSW.
>It is not shown on their site, at the moment, but they have some of them.
>BTW, those are excellent reviews at your site!
>I will give a mini-review, here, after I get my TSW and put a few
>miles on it.
>--
>// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

Scott B. Huste

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Scott B. Huste » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Ive driven with an ECCI and the wheel is superb as is the TSW.

My only complaint about the ECCI (besides the price ;) ) are the pedals they
use from Sherman Tanks <VBG>

Although Im sure they will last forever...   I just wish they were a bit
more.. um,   automotive like I guess is the best word I can come up with
=)    But heck... I couldnt convince my wife to let me spend over $1,000 on a
steering device if my life depended on it.   Of course if it was a female
wardrobe Im sure it would be no problem <VBG>

Scott
PA-Scott
--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450

DTrager1

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by DTrager1 » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I have also used an ECCI, and totaly agree with Scott as far as it being much
better quality than a TSW, and the pedals being not realistic at all.

I found a wheel that is priced with the lower end TSW's, that has the most
realistic pedals I've seen yet (swing down) and is ECCI
quality............check it out, you won't regret it!

http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/

Dave Trager - DTrager
1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist

Team Xtreme
http://members.aol.com/xtremechvy/Xtreme3.html

Powered by SRC Wheels
http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/

Kirk Lan

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Kirk Lan » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Just a little question:
WHERE IS THOMAS' WEB SITE?
Thanks :)

--
Kirk Lane

ICQ: 28171652


>Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC
>pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been
>running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they
>still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are
>a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart
>outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime
>expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long
>run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the
>installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not
>have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees.

>--
>Greg Hellmann

>"Cause when the feelin's right,
>  i'm gonna race all night."

Scott B. Huste

High Grade Pots by Spectrol

by Scott B. Huste » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I didnt say the ECCI was superior to the TSW.   I said that both wheels were
superb <VBG>

Just wanted to clarify that =)

Scott
PA-Scott

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott on TEN
http://home.earthlink.net/~sbhusted
ICQ# 4395450


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