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by **Scott B. Huste** » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Woodie,

Im currently using a Thrustmaster NPro and I race in my socks all the time. I
cant wear shoes while racing because my feet are too big for the pedals I guess =)

When I used the ECCI pedals I felt like I should be hauling a wagon of fertilizer
behind me and wearing a green John Deer hat or something. ROFL

Again... Let me say that the ECCI are built fantastically and they work great. The
wheel is a very accurate and precise. The pedals work superbly as well... just my
opinion that they are a little too "industrial" for my taste is all.

Scott
PA-Scott

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott on TEN
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sbhusted
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by **AndyCer** » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

No, the CDS 4000 pedals do not look like the pedals found in a race car,
but this is because they are engineered to be the most comfortable for
long distance racing at a computer desktop - a situation quite
dirfferent from that of sitting in a race car. At ECCI, we have designed
and extensively tested many pedal options, including several hang-down
configurations to determine what we would offer for our next generation
product, the CDS4000. We refrained from offering the hang-down pedal
solution, because we discovered that in a long distance racing situation
the heel-pivoting blade pedal offered the least fatigue and best long
distance confort of any solution tested. We may still consider offering
a hang-down pedal solution in the future, but if we do this at all, it
will only be a limited edition product. Long distance performance is
still our focus, for we still hold this factor as a higher priority than
simply replicating what might be found in a race car.

Andy Cers
ECCI
http://www.ecci.net
Manufacturers of professional quality driving controls
"Move up to true professional quality, move up to ECCI"

> >Ive driven with an ECCI and the wheel is superb as is the TSW.

> >My only complaint about the ECCI (besides the price ;) ) are the pedals they
> >use from Sherman Tanks <VBG>

> >Although Im sure they will last forever... I just wish they were a bit
> >more.. um, automotive like I guess is the best word I can come up with
> >=) But heck... I couldnt convince my wife to let me spend over $1,000 on a
> >steering device if my life depended on it. Of course if it was a female
> >wardrobe Im sure it would be no problem <VBG>

> >Scott
> >PA-Scott
> >--
> >Scott B. Husted
> >ICQ# 4395450

> I have also used an ECCI, and totaly agree with Scott as far as it being much
> better quality than a TSW, and the pedals being not realistic at all.

> I found a wheel that is priced with the lower end TSW's, that has the most
> realistic pedals I've seen yet (swing down) and is ECCI
> quality............check it out, you won't regret it!

> http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/

> Dave Trager - DTrager
> 1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist

> Team Xtreme
> http://members.aol.com/xtremechvy/Xtreme3.html

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by **Eric Cot** » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hello Greg, here's an answer you look for (High precision pots)
it's... at my website, look at the bottom of the survey page
you'll find the link to DIGI-KEY...

BTW, how's thing, miss you pal, if you one day GP3 comes out, maybe
we'll be back to form a team, what do you think ?

Cheers

Eric

http://www.simracingmag.com

> So, basically, i would have to purchase an ECCI first in order to
> obtain these cool pots. Might as well buy the whole thing then,
> eh ? Jeez! Good thing you mentioned your website, but shame i am
> more than happy with my TSW.

> >I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
> >this snobbish, arrogant company.

> rrevved, what model you decided to get and what were the reasons
> that made you choose a TSW rather than an ECCI? I did a review of
> the TSW Formula '99 at http://www.mgprs2.com. It seems to me that
> the company concept of Thomas Enterprises and ECCI is
> conspicuously different.

> --
> Greg Hellmann

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by **Eric Cot** » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Dave, if you need to upgrade your pots, buy those high precision from
DIGI-KEY, there's a link from my website, look under survey result
and if you race in GPL, please fill it.

http://www.simracingmag.com

> [snip]
> >I will give a mini-review, here, after I get my TSW and put a few
> >miles on it.

> rrevved, it'd be appreciated if you could include this info in your
> mini-review:

> - what type of pots will be in your TSW. Acc. to the Thomas site, the
> Stock includes the DK pots? I'm currently using the RS pots on my
> TSW, but would consider upgrading to DK or Spec pots if you or others
> feel they're worth it;
> - what gameport will you be connecting to (I'm using the PDPI L4 with
> their latest drivers);
> - if you're driving GPL, what joystick driver (direct input vs.
> generic) and linearity settings will you wind up using.

> TIA,

> Dave
> ============================
> Dave Mack

> (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

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by **Daisy Du** » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I buy Spectrol pot's for some of the equipment that I build. They
are about $11 from Ack inc. (770-351-6340). I've seen the ones at
the TSW site. The only difference is that TSW solders on a pigtail so
that you can just plug it in. If you don't have a soldering iron then
I guess it's worth the extra 30 bucks. Not to me.
BTW the pots are probably "10 turn"

by **Phil Abe** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I've given my cds a daily workout since buying it in Oct'96, and the
original pot is still going strong.

> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:26:05 GMT,

> >>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from
> >>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds
> >>available to have done so.

> >>Hey Andy, wanna race?

> >I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" --

> But you snipped his comments. Why did you do that?

> >ECCI has
> >obviously done a lot of research to help provide their customers with
> >the very best product they can. The ECCI wheel is much pricier than
> >the TSW product, so I'm sure that people who would consider buying an
> >ECCI wheel will be glad to hear that ECCI is so thorough in their
> >research and testing.

> My comments had -nothing- to do with his 'research and testing'. They
> were in reference to his attitude.

> >For those of you who might consider the tone to be "snobbish" or
> >"arrogant," remember -- ECCI is just trying to keep us informed about
> >their product, not gloat about their superiority.

> Really?

> >This is no
> >different than a press release from companies like Thrustmaster,
> >Sierra, or anybody else -- it's just product information wrapped in a
> >message designed to shed a positve light on the company.

> I'm laughing, now. Somehow this attempt to shed 'positive' light
> had a somewhat different effect on me.

> >So give Andy a break, okay? Beat him up on the track with your TSW if
> >you must <G>, but don't dog the guy for simply trying to inform us
> >about the research and development that goes into his product.

> >;-)

> >-- JB

> John, since you chose to completely eliminate the words of Mr. Cersi
> from your followup, and then posted my comments, out of context, I am
> pasting them below. This will let others draw their own conclusions:

> :On 13 Apr 1999 18:25:10 PDT,

> :We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be
> :interested in these components, but these parts are designed
> :specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI
> :owners are eligible to purchase them.
> :
> :Andy Cers
> :ECCI

> One more thing. Here is how superior he thinks his pots are:

> "All ECCI electrical components including potentiometers are warranted
> against failure or control inconsistency for one year, regardless of the
> frequency of use."

> --
> // rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

by **Woodie** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

That's strange, the pedals are my absolute favorite thing about my ECCI. The
only ones I've seen where I didn't need shoes, and I find that to be important.
Go figure.

Don McCorkle
Libertarian Motorsports

by **DTrager1** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Woops, sorry to put words in your mouth, that was a mistake on my part. But it
is MY opinion that the ECCI is MUCH better quailty than the TSW.

Dave Trager - DTrager
1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist

Team Xtreme
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by **David Swobod** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi Scott,

I had the same thought when I first setup my ECCI wheel and pedals. Man
those pedals are big! But after using them now for about 5 months I think
they are really great. The foot area is large enough to allow you to try
different foot positions, which is nice in a really long race and you feel
those cramps sneaking up on you.

Also, if you have the Pressure Brake upgrade, you need the extra weight of
those pedals as the extra force needed to push them would slide them across
the floor. As it is I am on hardwood floors and I had to put a small board
along my baseboard to keep the pedals from moving. I also had to put a
backstop on my chair to keep it from moving. After doing that, everything
just clicked and I'm happy I spent the extra money.

They are a great product and will last me a lifetime.

There are lots of choices out there and most of them are very good, but all
the less expensive options have really bad pedals. ECCI and TSW seem to be
amoung the best out there.

-David.

>Ive driven with an ECCI and the wheel is superb as is the TSW.

>My only complaint about the ECCI (besides the price ;) ) are the pedals
they
>use from Sherman Tanks <VBG>

>Although Im sure they will last forever... I just wish they were a bit
>more.. um, automotive like I guess is the best word I can come up with
>=) But heck... I couldnt convince my wife to let me spend over $1,000 on
a
>steering device if my life depended on it. Of course if it was a female
>wardrobe Im sure it would be no problem <VBG>

>Scott
>PA-Scott
>--
>Scott B. Husted
>ICQ# 4395450

by **Greg Hellman** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Andy, are the 100K ECCI pots that you offer and supply with your
systems of better quality than the high grade SPEC pots of the
TSW F99 ? Those seem to be the best potentiometers out there.
Rumour has it that there are even better ones, but there has
never been any real specification or description of a better
potentiometer than the one offered by Thomas Enterprises (kit can
be ordered from them also by non-TSW owners).

Andy, i am talking mere pot quality here. It'd be appreciated if
you could reveal more data on your potentiometers, if not
classified that is :-) Of course I do see your point with the
pot/steering shaft connection as I ruined my brake pedal
potentiometer because pot movement is not entirely independent
from shock load. But i mean.....what about the quality,
precision, calibration and lifetime of just the pot? You claim
that they last three years of two hour per day use. Question that
is still unanswered is the following: Are the ECCI pots better
than the ones I stated above in my initial post ? And if so, why
? Perhaps this cannot be answered....you tell me.
Truly amazed by the 1999 ECCI products though. If it weren't for
the cherry-red design.....naah, can't spend $ 2000 for another
wheel.

--
Greg Hellmann

"Cause when the feelin's right,
i'm gonna race all night."

by **Greg Hellman** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Definitely, Eric. :-)
I hope GP3 hits shelves this year. However, I got information
that Jaques Villeneuve is involved in the development of Ubisoft
Racing Simulation3....but probably Geoff Crammond can do even
better.

I filled out your survey. Is the gameport of the SB Live really
so superior over gamecards? Because that would mean I could have
an ISA free system.

Are you sure the pots you mentioned are really identical with the
high grade SPEC pots on the Thomas' site ? I am not sure really.

--
Greg Hellmann

"Cause when the feelin's right,
i'm gonna race all night."

Eric Cote schrieb in Nachricht

by **=Gunslinge** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

$1500 for a damn PC wheel???
Are you folks out of your minds???
I hope this is somebodies idea of a joke!

--
-Gunslinger-

by **schwab** » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00

No sh*t.... build one for about 1/100th of that... all I have to do is
wire mine and I'm set...

-_Dave

> $1500 for a damn PC wheel???
> Are you folks out of your minds???
> I hope this is somebodies idea of a joke!

> --
> -Gunslinger-

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

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