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by **Eldre** » Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:20:54

I'm trying to get some practice in other cars. To me, the BRM is almost
*undriveable*. My Ferrari rank is +29.02, but the BRM is +99.30. How do you
guys DO it? I tried running some laps at Watkins last night. For about 6 laps
in a row, every time I downshifted for the 90, the car spun out.
Also, do you look at the extra gear as an extra low gear, or an extra high
gear?
Thanks.

Eldred
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by **Roger Squire** » Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:18:29

This car and the honda both must be kept in the higher rpm range, that's
all you need to know.

Ok. I've been using Alison's setups for the honda and brm, and she
insists on having a very low first gear for both these cars, and I was
seeing exactly the same problem as you are, such that I was scared to
downshift to 1st, thus lugging the engine in 2nd, and I couldn't beat 8:35
with these two cars for love or money. Finally I raised 1st gear a notch or
two and started using it in slow corners, took 10seconds off my ring times
almost immediately.

rms

by **Jon Anderse** » Tue, 05 Jun 2001 11:05:03

There are people that claims BRM is one of the easiest cars in GPL. I
disagree. The car is so hard to drive that you'd really expect quick lap
times in return. This car is a practical joke. It is hard to drive, it feels
fast, but is amazingly slow.

When I first tried to drive the BRM, I did extactly the same as you: Spun
when downshifting.

After moving the brake balance towards the rear, I spun less. The BRM has so
much weight over its rear wheels that it needs heavier brake effect at the
rear than most other cars.

In addition, I learned that if I downshifted slowly, the risk of spinning
would decrease.

Initially, I regarded the extra gear as - an extra gear. I did my gear
ratios as I do with any other car. Then I found that by doing so, lot's of
time were lost by excessive gearshifting. I then realized that the extra
gear should be used as an extra *low* gear, only to be used at the start of
after complete stops.

Even though the BRM is the worst car in GPL, I actually like it. Once I was
able to do fairly consistent laps in it, I realized that this car is fun to
drive. As an extra bonus, the rest of the cars seemed easier to drive after
I had tried the BRM.

Jon Andersen

by **ymenar** » Tue, 05 Jun 2001 11:50:02

> There are people that claims BRM is one of the easiest cars in GPL. I
> disagree. The car is so hard to drive that you'd really expect quick lap
> times in return. This car is a practical joke. It is hard to drive, it
feels
> fast, but is amazingly slow.

Not only that, but I get messed up with my gear changes all the time. I
always mix up the gears I'm downshifting into :) (taking a glimpse at the
gear shifter).

It's a boat, it's tank, no it's a BRM!

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by **Jeffrey Row** » Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:51:49

> Not only that, but I get messed up with my gear changes all the time. I
> always mix up the gears I'm downshifting into :) (taking a glimpse at the
> gear shifter).

The gears confuse me, too. I crash because I'm staring at the stupid shifter
trying to figure out what gear I'm in.

Huttu drives a 1:04.78 in the BRM at the Glen.

--Jeff

by **J Sakari Salone** » Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:12:22

I can't claim to be fast at all in the BRM, or any other car (GPLRank about
+40 in the Honda), but I'm trying something here..

I think basically by being very careful with the back of the car - in
practice I power-steer less with the BRM than some other cars. I'm also being
particularly careful in the parts of the circuits that have sudden
elevation changes.

For me it becomes an extra high gear, because with the BRM one absolutely
has to keep the engine in very high revs.

--
J. Sakari Salonen / ssalonen(at)cc.helsinki.fi

by **Alan Coate** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:31:45

I find the BRM a sod to drive. I sometimes wonder if it was really as hard
as this as:

1. During the '67 season (as the car in GPL and not the Lotus-BRM) it
managed to come 5th 5 times and at Le Man, Stewart drove it to 3rd place.

2. At Goodwood each year racing with cars of similar class and year it
always does well

Makes you wonder, eh?

Alan

by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 03:27:30

>The gears confuse me, too. I crash because I'm staring at the stupid shifter
>trying to figure out what gear I'm in.

>Huttu drives a 1:04.78 in the BRM at the Glen.

Maybe, but he's not of this world - didn't you KNOW that?<g>

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 03:27:31

>> I'm trying to get some practice in other cars. To me, the BRM is almost
>> *undriveable*.

> This car and the honda both must be kept in the higher rpm range, that's
>all you need to know.

'Need to know' basis?<g> Actually, the Honda sounds like it's *straining* at
full speed, the BRM doesn't(to me).

I've considered changing the gears to match the other cars, and just ignore the
high gear. Haven't done it yet, because I'm scared to go changing stuff... :)

Eldred
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Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 03:27:30

>There are people that claims BRM is one of the easiest cars in GPL. I
>disagree. The car is so hard to drive that you'd really expect quick lap
>times in return. This car is a practical joke. It is hard to drive, it feels
>fast, but is amazingly slow.

I'm guessing that the people who say that are good enough to take advantage of
its 'quirks'. I'm not. There are guys in my leagues who can use the BRM, and
still be 3-4 seconds faster than me using ANY car.

I tried that. I'm *crawling* when I downshift, seemingly.

The *only* reason I'm trying it is an attempt to lower my already pitiful
Monster rank. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even BOTHER with that piece of
car...<g>

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26...

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with experience...
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by **Stephen Smit** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 05:15:26

Hi Jon,

OTOH, I find the BRM the second-easiest to drive (after the Cooper) because
of its high polar moment. Like balancing a broom (straw side up) on yer
palm, it takes forever to start to fall (vs. straw side down = low p.m.),
and is easy to catch once it does. But yes, it is abysmally slow. Too
heavy.

Since you do need to keep the revs up in the Beast of Bourne, I use first
mainly to get it off the mark. In some places with *extremely* slow

--Steve

by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 05:50:14

> >There are people that claims BRM is one of the easiest cars in GPL. I
> >disagree. The car is so hard to drive that you'd really expect quick lap
> >times in return. This car is a practical joke. It is hard to drive, it
feels
> >fast, but is amazingly slow.

> I'm guessing that the people who say that are good enough to take
advantage of
> its 'quirks'. I'm not. There are guys in my leagues who can use the BRM,
and
> still be 3-4 seconds faster than me using ANY car.

> >When I first tried to drive the BRM, I did extactly the same as you: Spun
> >when downshifting.

> >After moving the brake balance towards the rear, I spun less. The BRM has
so
> >much weight over its rear wheels that it needs heavier brake effect at
the
> >rear than most other cars.

> >In addition, I learned that if I downshifted slowly, the risk of spinning
> >would decrease.

> I tried that. I'm *crawling* when I downshift, seemingly.

> >Initially, I regarded the extra gear as - an extra gear. I did my gear
> >ratios as I do with any other car. Then I found that by doing so, lot's
of
> >time were lost by excessive gearshifting. I then realized that the extra
> >gear should be used as an extra *low* gear, only to be used at the start
of
> >after complete stops.

> >Even though the BRM is the worst car in GPL, I actually like it. Once I
was
> >able to do fairly consistent laps in it, I realized that this car is fun
to
> >drive. As an extra bonus, the rest of the cars seemed easier to drive
after
> >I had tried the BRM.

> The *only* reason I'm trying it is an attempt to lower my already pitiful
> Monster rank. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even BOTHER with that
piece of
> car...<g>

I knew it! : )

KFG

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by **ymenar** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 05:55:34

> > Not only that, but I get messed up with my gear changes all the time. I
> > always mix up the gears I'm downshifting into :) (taking a glimpse at
the
> > gear shifter).

> The gears confuse me, too. I crash because I'm staring at the stupid
shifter
> trying to figure out what gear I'm in.

That's about the same thing for me...

/me takes a quick peak at the gear shifter
"ARGH what gear is that??? 4th? 2th??
/me crashes

But he's an alien ;)

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by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 05:59:12

And it nearly won Spa, with *Stewart* driving. Please note the emphasis.

How bad was the BRM? It was so bad that in '67 JYS also ran a full season of
F2 so people wouldn't forget he knew how to drive. He knew how F1 works.
Look at what Damon Hill went through at Arrows, and what Jensen Button is
going through now. Everyone readily admits how horrible these cars are/were,
yet Damon got relentlesly attacked for his showings in it, and everyone is
now wagging their fingers at Button * at the same time as discussing what a
pig the Benneton is this year.*

It's always easiest to blame the driver.

Stewart claimed that the BRM seemed to have a built in performance limit.
Anyone could drive it up to that limit, but noone could drive it beyond
that.

How bad was the BRM? Have you ever stopped to consider why JYS wouldn't let
his name be used in the game? THAT'S how bad the BRM was.

KFG

by **Rick Boy** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:14:47

"The *only* reason I'm trying it is an attempt to lower my already pitiful
Monster rank. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even BOTHER with that piece
of
car...<g>"

I'd rather do 1000 laps at the 'Ring in the BRM than one lap anywhere in the
"Great White Whale."

Rick

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