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RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

Andrew MacPhers

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:46:00

I've only had it installed for an hour or so but I think I've seen enough
to convince me this is the best rally sim I've ever tried (and I think
I've tried every demo that's ever come out... and bought a few I regretted
:-)

The scenery looks quite pale at first, but it's *very* realistic,
especially at speed, with rain on your windscreen, the wipers thrashing
frantically, and your brain screaming "did he say fast left or tight
right, and why did I eat so much breakfast?" as you struggle to keep on
the gravel and out of the ditches.

Driving-wise, there is no immediate sense of "whoa, this is just *so*
right!" for me. But then we're kind of used to sims that push the physics
fairly hard now, and the more I get used to it, the more I miss the
physical feedback from a real car... and that's true in a rally sim more
than any other for me. My body gets confused by the fact that it's not
being thrown around as ***ly as the screen.

But neither is there any point so far where I've felt the car wasn't
behaving in exactly the way I'd expect it to behave... apart from maybe
when I hit the brakes and nothing happens. But that's pretty normal for me
in any sim :-)

So don't take any of that as a negative. Once I'd managed to get the
controller set up properly (there's no mouse control in the menu system,
and a confusing extra axis to assign (or not as the case may be)) I was
very happy with the feel of the car compared to sims like GPL, N2003 & LFS
(my personal "benchmark" sims). If you go offroad the car acts as if it's
gone offroad... the obstacles feel real and have an appropriate
mass. Especially trees, which have the mass of a small black hole, it
would seem... and a similar gravitational pull ;-) Even the tape "fencing"
at the side of the track in places behaves pretty realistically when you
watch the playbacks of you making a mess of things.

Where this sim really sells itself to me is in those replays. It looks
*so* realistic. From the choice of camera views to the way the car
behaves, it just looks "right". And the overall feeling I get is that it
looks right because it *is* right rather than because they've cheated to
make it look convincing.

Whether I end up driving RBR much or not (I'm not a huge rally fan to be
honest, I prefer to see the competition) this is definitely a title for
any serious simhead to have on their shelf.

Oh, one feature I really like is the ability to save every completed run
as a ghost car you can race against next time. Much more useful as a guide
for us amateurs than watching the split times. I imagine these files can
probably be swapped over the net as well, which could be useful.

Anyway, that'll do from me. Others have made far more eloquent cases for
this excellent sim.

Andrew McP

PS I really need to work out why my Momo still won't run in separate axis
mode (even with the "report separate axes" thing sorted out in config),
because there's no *way* you're going to go fast on these circuits without
learning to throw the back end out.

Charli

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Charli » Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:33:34


> Driving-wise, there is no immediate sense of "whoa, this is just *so*
> right!" for me. But then we're kind of used to sims that push the physics
> fairly hard now, and the more I get used to it, the more I miss the
> physical feedback from a real car... and that's true in a rally sim more
> than any other for me. My body gets confused by the fact that it's not
> being thrown around as ***ly as the screen.

I was the same.  Felt all wrong for the first while of playing... after
an hour or so I'd gotten to grips with it and everything (except maybe
snow banks) feels perfect.  The ff is the best I've experienced by a
long way.  Really lets you know how the front wheels are doing.  

interesting... I can't really care less about the replays or ghosts, I
just like driving it :)

Charlie

Steve Simpso

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Steve Simpso » Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:47:35

Yeah, the hardest part was 'unlearning' all the bad habits I'd picked up
from CMR, RT, RSC etc

Michael R Sisso

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Michael R Sisso » Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:54:49

In article


Ordered! But I am in Canada. :(

How long for you bitter Brits (because us North Americans always get the
good releases first :P ) to ship it here? ;)

Anyone else order from overseas? This is my first time.

MRSisson
--
LOAD "GPL",8,1
RUN

Aaron Markha

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Aaron Markha » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:19:35

I did also. I placed my order at sendit.com. I've ordered from overseas
before but it's been a long while.

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Aaron Markham

*RATE MY CAR AT CARDOMAIN.COM*
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> In article


> > I've only had it installed for an hour or so but I think I've seen
enough
> > to convince me this is the best rally sim I've ever tried (and I think
> > I've tried every demo that's ever come out... and bought a few I
regretted
> > :-)

> Ordered! But I am in Canada. :(

> How long for you bitter Brits (because us North Americans always get the
> good releases first :P ) to ship it here? ;)

> Anyone else order from overseas? This is my first time.

> MRSisson
> --
> LOAD "GPL",8,1
> RUN

mjones5

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by mjones5 » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:42:23

someone want to buy and ship me a copy to the states...
I'll pay for it of course.


Mike Beaucham

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Mike Beaucham » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:22:34

Odd.. I find a lot of the RT experience helped out a lot. You gotta remember
you aren't driving a rear wheel drive Stratos anymore.. RT with 4WD isn't
much different from this actually. As for CMR, that's probably your problem
there :) I haven't touched CMR since CMR2 on my laptop at work with the
keyboard..

Mike

Klin

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Klin » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:12:55

"Michael R Sisson" wrote ...

I'm in Canada too, and just ordered it a couple of days ago from
http://shop.game.net/ . My first time ordering from overseas as well, they
estimated about one week delivery time. I'll let you know how it goes.

Drifting off-topic slightly, has anyone heard about any copy-protection
problems with RBR? Ever since my bad experience with that $%&* CodeMaster
demo with the StarForce drivers, I've been more cautious.

...Klinn

Alex Kihuran

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Alex Kihuran » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:03:04

My comp isn't good enough for RBR...but I do have PS2...do you know if
British PS2 games are NTSC or PAL? If it's NTSC I can just use the modchip
stuff right? (no special VGA boxes?)

Thanks,
Alex

Alex Kihuran

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Alex Kihuran » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:08:43

Bah, nevermind...it's PAL


Alan Bernard

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Alan Bernard » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:43:15



>> Driving-wise, there is no immediate sense of "whoa, this is just *so*
>> right!" for me. But then we're kind of used to sims that push the physics
>> fairly hard now, and the more I get used to it, the more I miss the
>> physical feedback from a real car... and that's true in a rally sim more
>> than any other for me. My body gets confused by the fact that it's not
>> being thrown around as ***ly as the screen.

> I was the same.  Felt all wrong for the first while of playing... after
> an hour or so I'd gotten to grips with it and everything (except maybe
> snow banks) feels perfect.  The ff is the best I've experienced by a
> long way.  Really lets you know how the front wheels are doing.

Force-feedback?  I have a LWFF (Red) and I get no force-feedback at all.  I
thought it was broken?

Alanb

Charli

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Charli » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:44:48


> Force-feedback?  I have a LWFF (Red) and I get no force-feedback at all.  I
> thought it was broken?

I have a wingman ff as well, the variety that works on both pc and ps2.
apart from having to recalibrate the steering once or twice a stage (on
the ps2 version anyway) by pausing and giving it some full lock both
ways, it's brilliant...

Charlie

Alan Bernard

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Alan Bernard » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:20:01



>> Force-feedback?  I have a LWFF (Red) and I get no force-feedback at all.
>> I
>> thought it was broken?

> I have a wingman ff as well, the variety that works on both pc and ps2.
> apart from having to recalibrate the steering once or twice a stage (on
> the ps2 version anyway) by pausing and giving it some full lock both
> ways, it's brilliant...

> Charlie

I think FF is broken on my wheel.  It doesn't seem to work in any of my
racing games.  Either it's broken, or else there's a setting that is not
right.

Alanb

Todd Walke

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Todd Walke » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:29:58


says...

Buy it from www.gogamer.com. Mine should be on the way in the next day
or two. My total was $48 with Fedex.

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Matti Kur

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Matti Kur » Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:27:44

Hi,

Could you please let me know the driver views in RBR?

TIA
Matti


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