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Andrew MacPhers

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Andrew MacPhers » Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:00:00



> This is as real as it gets

Thanks for the reassurance. I think my qualms come down to silly things
like the times I've gone over a jump and ended up flipping onto my nose
and right over. It just seems unlikely even if I'm being a little reckless
:-) That's just an extreme example though. There are times when I just
don't feel the car's doing what I think it ought to.

However it is *highly* likely that this is because a realistic rally sim
is fairly unique in simulation terms. In most other sims you can drive
fairly fast while being logical and sensible. In rallying, you *have* to
chuck the car counterintuitively around to be fast, and while I have
occasionally indulged in a little light 4-wheel drifting in GPL, more
often than not it's been more by accident than judgement.

Which probably explains why the teaching section of RBR has given me such
trouble. I have to master a whole new set of skills in order to get the
most out of this simulation. Until those skills develop and become
automatic, I really must do as you suggest and train in the same way I
trained with Monza in GPL... lap after lap after lap until I understand
the car's behaviour and don't have to think about what my hands and feet
are doing.

This could take quite some time :-) But then that's the attraction of
hobbies like this.

Andrew McP

Charli

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Charli » Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:50:34

honestly, I find the game much easier when I pay absolute attention to
the pacenotes, but don't worry so much about the attitude of the car.
Heaps of wild steering, plenty of full brake and full throttle, madly
swinging around the place, handbrake if I'm ever understeering into
something.  Basically be *very* agressive with the car.  Don't baby it
in the slightest, totally opposite to circuit racing techniques... I've
always been better in ridiculously overpowered, 'permanent edge of
destruction' type driving than I am at the subtle circuit stuff, so
p'raps that's why it suits me...

Charlie

Charli

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Charli » Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:51:33

btw, I have a few qualms with the game, mainly 'realistic' damage mode
not being so, and snowbanks making great shortcuts, but as for the
actual driving, it feels spot on...

Charlie

Andrew MacPhers

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Andrew MacPhers » Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:48:00



> but as for the actual driving, it feels spot on...

I've spent some time messing about and have rediscovered my enthusiasm :-)

1) Altered the filter settings in throttle & brake to max out the second
curve slider. That gives me an exponential response curve with a much
bigger range of throttle to play with. Before I was probably putting too
many revs in too quickly in many circumstances.

2) Downloaded a util I spotted on the RSC forums. This allows you to
change the***pit views to some much better positions on the fly. I
particularly like a much wider angle which gives you a better sense of
what's going on out of both side windows... and when you're going sideways
that helps :-)

Although this shrinks the road ahead, the extra "feel" it gives is
amazing, for me anyway.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

To demonstrate that view in action, this next thread has a 6mb movie of
someone using that and a TrackIR to give a pretty dynamic experience! I
haven't managed to get my TrackIR working with it yet, but I certainly
want to give it a go based on this...

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

I am also learning to be more brutal with the steering wheel and to not be
afraid to experiment. I mean, it's only a game, no matter what my brain
tells me when faced with another crash.

And BTW, another thing that does keep impressing me is the amazingly
realistic way most bad crashes behave. When you end up in a barrel roll
and land on your roof, you really do *feel* like that's what's happened.
The sounds, the "weight" of the motion, the grunts from you and the
co-driver, the shattered windscreen. Very immersive stuff.

Doesn't do much for your lap times though ;-)

Andrew McP

Uwe Sch??rkam

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:42:02


> And BTW, another thing that does keep impressing me is the amazingly
> realistic way most bad crashes behave. When you end up in a barrel roll
> and land on your roof, you really do *feel* like that's what's happened.
> The sounds, the "weight" of the motion, the grunts from you and the
> co-driver, the shattered windscreen. Very immersive stuff.

> Doesn't do much for your lap times though ;-)

> Andrew McP

thanks for making me slobber onto my keyboard. Now if somebody can
please assist me in getting this thing to run on my rig. I have the
box sitting on my shelf and cannae drive it! Oh the torment! Please!
8-(

Cheers,

a very depressed uwe.

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Andrew MacPhers

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Andrew MacPhers » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 05:21:00



> a very depressed uwe.

Wish I could help. You've bought the game and a DVD drive... have you
tried buying a proper operating system?  <ducks & runs away> ;-)

98se ought to do the job though. XP/2000 is recommended, but not on the
minimum specs.

Andrew McP

ZZ

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by ZZ » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:54:33

I can't get it to run either Uwe. It gets to the driver creation screen
and when I say yes to save it, my PC locks up hard. I have to reset.

Of course this may have something to do with my motherboard going belly
up after I uninstalled  RBR. I hope it's not related to RBR.

ZZ

Arne Martin G??ettle

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Arne Martin G??ettle » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:24:00


> I can't get it to run either Uwe. It gets to the driver creation screen
> and when I say yes to save it, my PC locks up hard. I have to reset.

> Of course this may have something to do with my motherboard going belly
> up after I uninstalled  RBR. I hope it's not related to RBR.

i had the same problem, but got it to run by turning down the graphic
details. so now i'm happily turning perfectly fine cars into s***metal
out in the forest all across the world :D

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Charli

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Charli » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:08:42

latest directx?  latest video, sound and motherboard drivers?  updated
motherboard bios?  scanned for viruses and spyware?  set graphics and
sound options to minimal, and then tried other values?  uninstalled and
reinstalled the game?  all possibly related windows updates?

Charlie

Uwe Sch??rkam

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:08:01




>> a very depressed uwe.

> Wish I could help. You've bought the game and a DVD drive... have you
> tried buying a proper operating system?  <ducks & runs away> ;-)

;-) no need to duck, and I already have a proper operating system on
my productivity machine, thank you ;-)

It works on my son's 98SE machine (I tried deleting the TSW controller
entry from the joystick settings program on my machine, then starting
RBR, to no avail), so for now and once, the OS is not at fault here,
it seems. SCi tech support still hasn't replied, but I'm holding on. I
am eager to find out just how good this fabled tech support thingy
really is ;-)

All the best,
uwe

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Andrew MacPhers

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Andrew MacPhers » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:01:00



> SCi tech support still hasn't replied

I'd be surprised if they work weekends. It's going to be run as cheaply as
possible, I'm sure.

One thing that might be worth trying is lowering the hardware acceleration
in your control panel audio properties (wherever it lives in win98, I
forget). I had a lot of problems with Doom3 crashing recently until I did
something similar.

Andrew McP

Raphael Baraba

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Raphael Baraba » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:25:36


> [..] scanned for viruses and spyware? [..]

Viruses and spyware still run on windows 98? ;)
Uwe Sch??rkam

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:20:00


> One thing that might be worth trying is lowering the hardware acceleration
> in your control panel audio properties (wherever it lives in win98, I
> forget). I had a lot of problems with Doom3 crashing recently until I did
> something similar.

> Andrew McP

Yeah, I tried that too, but it still crashes. Short of installing
dx9.0c I've tried just about everything suggested here, and more. Too
bad there isn't a debug mode so one could get more info whats going on
when the program starts up.

cheers & thanks again for your suggestions,
uwe

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Destro

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Destro » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:40:34

Definitely try install 9.0c.  In 2 recent demos, can't remember which,
the demos would crash on startup without having 9.0c installed.  9.0b
would not work.

Uwe Sch??rkam

RBR, just buy it. You know you want to.

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:40:02


>> Short of installing
>> dx9.0c I've tried just about everything suggested here,

> Definitely try install 9.0c.  In 2 recent demos, can't remember which,
> the demos would crash on startup without having 9.0c installed.  9.0b
> would not work.

I'll give it a go tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion!

uwe

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