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Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

ymenar

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by ymenar » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:57:46


>     To PROVE or DISPROVE the advantage of the arcade tailgunner view

Pretty easy.  Considering your elevated situation, you can see further
ahead, and further ahead above other cars.  In a draft at Talladega, it can
be the difference between wrecking or not, as you can see ahead before.  It
takes out the luck factor and also the driving skill factor of wreck
avoidance.

Secondly, you can easily see behind you at a better accuracy then in the
***pit.  The FOV over the bottom of the screen is bigger then the FOV of
the mirror.  It's only a couple of more feet, but it's still an advantage
that is unrealistic.

LOL.  It's more about the Aerodynamic drag Dave.

Then again, would you need to take out the driver from inside the***pit?
Where there be one?

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Doug Elliso

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by Doug Elliso » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:43:43


Didnt you spend a great deal of time modifying the view from the***pit to
suit your purposes?

Doug

John Simmon

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by John Simmon » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:59:21


says...

I ran 30 races or so with RASCAR, and I won one of them at Pocono.  
Was it because I was roof riding?  No.  It was because I only needed
one pitstop when everyone that was faster needed two.  I don't see
where I had the advantage due to my chosen driving view.  

However, for me, roof-riding makes road-racing a bit easier.  It
doesn't make me a winner, but it lets me run in the top five
(usually).  Other than that, I get no advantage by roof-riding over
***pit view.

Truty be told, the engine sound is muchh nicer in the***pit, but
I've lerned to ignore the "chewing on plastic" engine sound you get
on the roof.

John Simmon

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by John Simmon » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:01:51


says...

and...

Judging by the number of cautions we have in RASCAR,  I don't think
forcing***pit on would solve any of our problems.

Isotrip

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by Isotrip » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:19:01



> and...

> Judging by the number of cautions we have in RASCAR,  I don't think
> forcing***pit on would solve any of our problems.

Exactly! I personally will take a server full of Safety oriented Roof Riders
over Elitist Cagers anyday! It isnt the VIEW that gets you the win, it is
being the best overall driver. If the Cagers need something to use as an
excuse because they got their ass handed to them, then that is fine. As for
the simulated Physics for additional Driver weight behind the car is idiotic
at best. If the added weight IS modeled in the game it is modeled without
VIEW in mind. And if it wasn't figured in then it is a non-factor. So in
summary there is no advantage whether or not the driver weight was
calculated or not since it wasn't factored (or not modeled) for each
individual view.

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Uncle Feste

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by Uncle Feste » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:17:31


>    Sorry it took me 3 years to think of this.

>        One of the biggest failings of all current sims is the fact none of
> them, to my knowledge, account for the driver.  AFAIK the car weight is
> precise, the forces are calculated with as much precision as possible, but
> they are ignoring a 200 pound lump of clay(the driver)  in the car.
>   What I propose is this...

There's a good idea there.  Make any view available, but code the
physics engine to account for the drag & weight distribution differences
made by where you as a driver choose to sit.  This would be really
great!  Also, don't let views change once the race starts.

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:55:27

"Cagers"???  Geez, you sound like some of the bicycle fanatics I've seen.
They hate cars and car drivers...

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Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:01:34


        Why do they hate us?  All I've ever done is try to get close to
them, to share their freedom....gosh... now I feel....so....so needful to
get EVEN CLOSER!!!!  muhahaha
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Isotrip

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by Isotrip » Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:35:22




> > >Exactly! I personally will take a server full of Safety oriented Roof
> Riders
> > >over Elitist Cagers anyday!

> > "Cagers"???  Geez, you sound like some of the bicycle fanatics I've
seen.
> > They hate cars and car drivers...

> > Eldred

>         Why do they hate us?  All I've ever done is try to get close to
> them, to share their freedom....gosh... now I feel....so....so needful to
> get EVEN CLOSER!!!!  muhahaha
> dave henrie

ROFL!! Now that was funny!! And no Eldred I was refering to the fact that
they would be in a "cage" with the rollbars around them VS. the people that
"roof Ride". I think the term "Cager" is more applicable here than in
describing people that drive cars in general. :o)

- Isotrip?

Steve Blankenshi

Ending the Roof driving Question--A challenge to RAS

by Steve Blankenshi » Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:35:39

Hey now, be careful; there's a roadie in your midst. ;-)

SB
(who's been known to enjoy a good***to the rear quarter panel of sleepy
drivers who get too close... )




> > >Exactly! I personally will take a server full of Safety oriented Roof
> Riders
> > >over Elitist Cagers anyday!

> > "Cagers"???  Geez, you sound like some of the bicycle fanatics I've
seen.
> > They hate cars and car drivers...

> > Eldred

>         Why do they hate us?  All I've ever done is try to get close to
> them, to share their freedom....gosh... now I feel....so....so needful to
> get EVEN CLOSER!!!!  muhahaha
> dave henrie

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